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Miracles In Sri Guru Granth Sahib
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 80774" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Re: Miracles in Guru Granth Sahib Ji</strong></p><p></p><p>\</p><p><strong>Dalbir Singh Ji,</strong></p><p> <strong>As you asked, I would try to answer as per Gurbani states. </strong></p><p> <strong>In context of Gurbani understanding, your opinion is part of those who do not stick to references and do not look at it as a reality verified by Guru Ji. Look at the following Guru Vak</strong></p><p> <span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਨਿ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਸਸੀ ਤਿਤੁ ਵੇਲੈ<strong><u> ਕਹਸਨਿ</u></strong></span></span><strong><u> <span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰੇਤ</span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ </span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></u></strong><span style="color: purple"> </span></p><p><span style="color: purple">jith dhin dhaeh binasasee thith vaelai kehasan <strong>praeth </strong>||</span></p><p><span style="color: purple">On that day when the body perishes-at that time, she becomes a <strong>ghost.</strong></span></p><p><span style="color: purple"></span><strong><span style="color: black">Kehn= people say that, what? Pret= ghost, is it admission by Guru ji about ghosts?</span><span style="color: purple"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: purple"></span></strong><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਕੜਿ ਚਲਾਇਨਿ ਦੂਤ ਜਮ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਦੇਨੀ ਭੇਤੁ </span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: purple"> </span></p><p><span style="color: purple">pakarr chalaaein dhooth jam kisai n dhaenee bhaeth ||</span></p><p><span style="color: purple">The Messenger of Death seizes and holds her, and does not tell anyone his secret.</span></p><p><span style="color: purple"></span><strong><span style="color: black">Jamdoot= according to Hindu mythology there are special people known as Jamdoot to take the soul out of body, a nonsense concept, Gurbani states clearly that soul leaves body and go some where to Sky( gainare), jamdoot is also used as symbol of death, nothing more than that., here is Guru Nanak Ji in context of death </span></strong><span style="color: purple"></span></p><p><span style="color: purple"></span> <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=580&punjabi=t&id=25507#l25507" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੰਨਾ </span>580, <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਰ </span>15</a></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਉ ਦਰ ਠਾਕੇ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਚੈ ਹੰਸੁ ਗਇਆ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: #AB5555"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੈਣਾਰੇ</span></span></strong> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">नउ दर ठाके हुकमि सचै हंसु गइआ गैणारे ॥</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Na*o </span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ḏ</span></span><span style="color: black">ar </span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṯẖ</span></span><span style="color: black">ākė hukam sac</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ẖ</span></span><span style="color: black">ai hans ga*i*ā gai</span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">ṇ</span></span><span style="color: black">ārė.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">The nine doors are closed by the True Lord's Command, and the swan-soul takes flight into the skies.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">So above" Jamdoot" is used just as a reference death.</span><span style="color: purple"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: purple"></span></strong><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਛਡਿ ਖੜੋਤੇ ਖਿਨੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਜਿਨ ਸਿਉ ਲਗਾ ਹੇਤੁ </span></span><span style="color: purple"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: purple"> </span></p><p><span style="color: purple">shhadd kharrothae khinai maahi jin sio lagaa haeth ||</span></p><p><span style="color: purple">And her loved ones-in an instant, they move on, leaving her all alone.</span></p><p><span style="color: purple"></span><strong><span style="color: black">Here Guru ji indicates about importance of death which is usually forgotten and persons indulge in vices and get involved in the people they love, seldom they remember The Almighty. Whole Shabad is about the importance of Almighty and the certain death.</span><span style="color: purple"></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: purple"></span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: purple"></span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: navy">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਨ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਹੋਤ ਜਬ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਟੇਰਤ</span></span><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰੇਤਿ</span></span><span style="color: navy"> [/FONT]</span></strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੁਕਾਰਿ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"> </span></p><p> <span style="color: navy">[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: navy">than thae praan hoth jab niaarae ttaerath <strong>praeth</strong> pukaar ||</span></p><p><span style="color: navy">When the soul is separated from the body, then they will cry out, calling you a <strong>ghost</strong>.</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Again note down the word” prêt pukaar” who does so, people whom the dead loved over Almighty, they call him ghost as they look at the lifeless body, the following Guru Vaak clears the picture.</span></strong></p><p> <span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਹਵਾ ਜਲਉ ਜਲਾਵਣੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਜਪੈ ਰਸਾਇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"> </span></p><p><span style="color: navy">jihavaa jalo jalaavanee naam n japai rasaae ||</span></p><p><span style="color: navy">Let that tongue be burnt in flames, which does not chant the Naam with love. </span></p><p><span style="color: navy"></span><span style="color: black">You see here the importance of </span><span style="color: black">Nam</span><span style="color: black"> Simran</span><span style="color: navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: navy"></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਟੁ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਦੁਖੁ ਅਗਲੋ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਮ</span></span></strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੁ ਪਕੜੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"> </span></p><p><span style="color: navy">ghatt binasai dhukh agalo jam pakarrai pashhuthaae ||5||</span></p><p><span style="color: navy">When the pitcher of the body bursts, there is terrible pain; those who are caught by the <strong>Minister of Death</strong> regret and repent. ||5||</span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"></span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Now think why so called imaginary jamdoot do repent, you must understand, death comes to every one, there is no such thing that special jamdoot come for some and don’t come for others, realty is this that there is no jamdoot, here words are used in context of fear of death, being in love with HIM a persons see death as a CALL of GOD others tremble and imagine jamdoot.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: darkslateblue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਗੁਪਤ ਕਾ ਕਾਗਦੁ ਫਾਰਿਆ</span></span> <strong><span style="color: darkslateblue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਮਦੂਤਾ</span></span></strong> <span style="color: darkslateblue"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਛੂ ਨ ਚਲੀ </span></span><span style="color: darkslateblue"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: darkslateblue"></span></p><p><span style="color: darkslateblue">chithr gupath kaa kaagadh faariaa <strong>jamadhoothaa</strong> kashhoo n chalee ||</span></p><p><span style="color: darkslateblue">The accounts of Chitr and Gupt, the recording scribes of the conscious and the subconscious are torn up, and the <strong>Messenger of Death</strong> cannot do anything.</span></p><p><span style="color: darkslateblue">~SGGS Ji p. 79</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">This is a crystal clear picture of the whole story; neither those imaginative chitrgupt nor jamdoot could do anything to the person who lives in HIS simran, why not? Because the person knows that death is HIS call, nothing to fear and no one special is writing any thing( no chitrgupt), it is HIM only who does all, when HE gives blessings, nothing exists. Enlightened Sikh dies to be with HIM, he/she has fear of none but HIM, here being in love, fear is replaced with love and happiness to be with HIM.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਦੇਵ ਉਪਾਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">brehamaa bisan mehaes dhaev oupaaeiaa ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and the deities were created. </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਬੇਦ ਪੂਜਾ ਲਾਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">brehamae dhithae baedh poojaa laaeiaa ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">Brahma was given the Vedas, and enjoined to worship God. </span></p><p> <span style="color: indigo">[/FONT]</span> <strong><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਸ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ</span></span></strong> <span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਆਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"><strong>dhas avathaaree</strong> raam raajaa aaeiaa ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"><strong>The ten incarnations</strong>, and Rama the king, came into being. </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੈਤਾ ਮਾਰੇ ਧਾਇ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਬਾਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">dhaithaa maarae dhhaae hukam sabaaeiaa ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">According to His Will, they quickly killed all the demons.</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਈਸ ਮਹੇਸੁਰੁ ਸੇਵ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">ees mehaesur saev thinhee anth n paaeiaa ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">Shiva serves Him, but cannot find His limits. </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span><strong><span style="color: black">All talk prevailed in Guru times is presented as per HIS ordinance, this is all HIS play, even considered so big guys, Guru ji says about them, that none could even know HIM and HIS infinity. References are used and Guru ji beautifully adds his commentary which is the final truth. Read the following</span><span style="color: indigo"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: indigo"></span></strong><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਚੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇ ਤਖਤੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">sachee keemath paae thakhath rachaaeiaa ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">He established His throne on the principles of Truth. </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span></p><p><span style="color: indigo"></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੁਨੀਆ ਧੰਧੈ ਲਾਇ ਆਪੁ ਛਪਾਇਆ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">dhuneeaa dhhandhhai laae aap shhapaaeiaa ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">He enjoined all the world to its tasks, while He keeps Himself hidden from view.</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">~SGGS Ji p. 1279 </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> .<span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"> ਜੇਵਡੁ ਆਪਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪਿ ਆਪਿ </span></span><span style="color: indigo"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: indigo"> </span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">jaevadd aap jaanai aap aap ||</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">Only He Himself is that Great. He Himself knows Himself.</span></p><p><span style="color: indigo">~SGGS Ji p. 5</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Isnt it clear that no one knows about HIM, all sayings either are guesses or just creation of human mind. When no one `knows then why claims are being made about HIS incarnations? Why does Guru ji states HIM as” AJOONI”? <u>Because HE is</u>, only in HIS Sargun sroop, HE is present, not in chosen ones but in all.[/FONT]</span></strong><span style="color: navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: navy">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਪੀਆਲਿਆ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕਾ ਪਥੁ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"> </span></p><p><span style="color: navy">gur anmrith naam peeaaliaa janam maran kaa pathh ||</span></p><p><span style="color: navy">The Guru has led me to drink in the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of the Lord; He has released me from the cycle of birth and death. </span></p><p><span style="color: navy"></span></p><p><span style="color: navy">[/FONT]</span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਭੈ ਭੰਜਨੁ ਦੁਖ ਲਥੁ </span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩</span></span><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: navy"> </span></p><p><span style="color: navy">gur paramaesar saeviaa bhai bhanjan dhukh lathh ||3||</span></p><p> <span style="color: navy"></span></p><p> <span style="color: navy">[/FONT]</span> <span style="color: navy">I serve the Guru, the Transcendent Lord, the Dispeller of fear; my suffering has been taken away. ||3||</span></p><p><span style="color: navy">~SGGS Ji p. 49</span></p><p> <strong><span style="color: black">Above Guru Vaak makes clear the rest doubts about all in questions. Guru shows the real way out of this cycle of birth and death, Guru gives HIS NAAM known as AMBROSIAL NECTOR. Gurbani is in poetry form, it should not be read and understood as verse, there are symbols, metaphors and references. I hope I have stated what you have asked me specially, there should be no confusion. If HE comes in incarnation, then, why there is a need to get out of this cycle? If our ORIGIN is in this cycles, so what is wrong with staying in cycles with HIM then? Truth remains that HE is beyond Birth and Death and there is no chitrgupt, no jamdoot(special agents of death, what about those agents, are they out of birth and death cycle themselves? If so, then we must assume a lot of souls are employed by HIM to do different jobs. O.K. Who is witness to that? NONE because it is fabrication of human mind, these words are used just as fear of death as imagined by some before Guru ji came on stage) Gurbani talks about Hindu talks but keeps his own message above all of this.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> [/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 80774, member: 5889"] [b]Re: Miracles in Guru Granth Sahib Ji[/b] \ [B]Dalbir Singh Ji,[/B] [B]As you asked, I would try to answer as per Gurbani states. [/B] [B]In context of Gurbani understanding, your opinion is part of those who do not stick to references and do not look at it as a reality verified by Guru Ji. Look at the following Guru Vak[/B][B][COLOR=purple][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਨਿ ਦੇਹ ਬਿਨਸਸੀ ਤਿਤੁ ਵੇਲੈ[B][U] ਕਹਸਨਿ[/U][/B][/FONT][/COLOR][B][U][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰੇਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/U][/B][COLOR=purple] jith dhin dhaeh binasasee thith vaelai kehasan [B]praeth [/B]|| On that day when the body perishes-at that time, she becomes a [B]ghost.[/B] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=black]Kehn= people say that, what? Pret= ghost, is it admission by Guru ji about ghosts?[/COLOR][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਪਕੜਿ ਚਲਾਇਨਿ ਦੂਤ ਜਮ ਕਿਸੈ ਨ ਦੇਨੀ ਭੇਤੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple] pakarr chalaaein dhooth jam kisai n dhaenee bhaeth || The Messenger of Death seizes and holds her, and does not tell anyone his secret. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=black]Jamdoot= according to Hindu mythology there are special people known as Jamdoot to take the soul out of body, a nonsense concept, Gurbani states clearly that soul leaves body and go some where to Sky( gainare), jamdoot is also used as symbol of death, nothing more than that., here is Guru Nanak Ji in context of death [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi] [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=580&punjabi=t&id=25507#l25507"][FONT=Raavi]ਪੰਨਾ [/FONT]580, [FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਰ [/FONT]15[/URL][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Raavi]ਨਉ ਦਰ ਠਾਕੇ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਚੈ ਹੰਸੁ ਗਇਆ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=#AB5555][FONT=Raavi]ਗੈਣਾਰੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=black][FONT=AnmolUniPr] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Mangal]नउ दर ठाके हुकमि सचै हंसु गइआ गैणारे ॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Na*o [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ḏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]ar [/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṯẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]ākė hukam sac[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ẖ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]ai hans ga*i*ā gai[/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]ṇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black]ārė.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The nine doors are closed by the True Lord's Command, and the swan-soul takes flight into the skies.[/COLOR][COLOR=black][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]So above" Jamdoot" is used just as a reference death.[/COLOR][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=purple][FONT=Raavi]ਛਡਿ ਖੜੋਤੇ ਖਿਨੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਜਿਨ ਸਿਉ ਲਗਾ ਹੇਤੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=purple] shhadd kharrothae khinai maahi jin sio lagaa haeth || And her loved ones-in an instant, they move on, leaving her all alone. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=black]Here Guru ji indicates about importance of death which is usually forgotten and persons indulge in vices and get involved in the people they love, seldom they remember The Almighty. Whole Shabad is about the importance of Almighty and the certain death.[/COLOR][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਤਨ ਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਾਨ ਹੋਤ ਜਬ ਨਿਆਰੇ ਟੇਰਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰੇਤਿ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਪੁਕਾਰਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]than thae praan hoth jab niaarae ttaerath [B]praeth[/B] pukaar || When the soul is separated from the body, then they will cry out, calling you a [B]ghost[/B].[/COLOR][COLOR=navy][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Again note down the word” prêt pukaar” who does so, people whom the dead loved over Almighty, they call him ghost as they look at the lifeless body, the following Guru Vaak clears the picture.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਹਵਾ ਜਲਉ ਜਲਾਵਣੀ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਜਪੈ ਰਸਾਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] jihavaa jalo jalaavanee naam n japai rasaae || Let that tongue be burnt in flames, which does not chant the Naam with love. [/COLOR][COLOR=black]You see here the importance of [/COLOR][COLOR=black]Nam[/COLOR][COLOR=black] Simran[/COLOR][COLOR=navy] [/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਘਟੁ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਦੁਖੁ ਅਗਲੋ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਜਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ੁ ਪਕੜੈ ਪਛੁਤਾਇ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]੫[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] ghatt binasai dhukh agalo jam pakarrai pashhuthaae ||5|| When the pitcher of the body bursts, there is terrible pain; those who are caught by the [B]Minister of Death[/B] regret and repent. ||5|| [/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Now think why so called imaginary jamdoot do repent, you must understand, death comes to every one, there is no such thing that special jamdoot come for some and don’t come for others, realty is this that there is no jamdoot, here words are used in context of fear of death, being in love with HIM a persons see death as a CALL of GOD others tremble and imagine jamdoot.[/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=navy] [/COLOR] [COLOR=navy] [/COLOR] [COLOR=darkslateblue][FONT=Raavi]ਚਿਤ੍ਰ ਗੁਪਤ ਕਾ ਕਾਗਦੁ ਫਾਰਿਆ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkslateblue] [/COLOR][B][COLOR=darkslateblue][FONT=Raavi]ਜਮਦੂਤਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=darkslateblue] [/COLOR][COLOR=darkslateblue][FONT=Raavi]ਕਛੂ ਨ ਚਲੀ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkslateblue][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=darkslateblue] chithr gupath kaa kaagadh faariaa [B]jamadhoothaa[/B] kashhoo n chalee || The accounts of Chitr and Gupt, the recording scribes of the conscious and the subconscious are torn up, and the [B]Messenger of Death[/B] cannot do anything. ~SGGS Ji p. 79[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]This is a crystal clear picture of the whole story; neither those imaginative chitrgupt nor jamdoot could do anything to the person who lives in HIS simran, why not? Because the person knows that death is HIS call, nothing to fear and no one special is writing any thing( no chitrgupt), it is HIM only who does all, when HE gives blessings, nothing exists. Enlightened Sikh dies to be with HIM, he/she has fear of none but HIM, here being in love, fear is replaced with love and happiness to be with HIM.[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=purple] [/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=indigo] [/COLOR] [COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਬ੍ਰਹਮਾ ਬਿਸਨੁ ਮਹੇਸੁ ਦੇਵ ਉਪਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] brehamaa bisan mehaes dhaev oupaaeiaa || Brahma, Vishnu, Shiva and the deities were created. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਬ੍ਰਹਮੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਬੇਦ ਪੂਜਾ ਲਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] brehamae dhithae baedh poojaa laaeiaa || Brahma was given the Vedas, and enjoined to worship God. [/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਦਸ ਅਵਤਾਰੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=indigo] [/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਆਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] [B]dhas avathaaree[/B] raam raajaa aaeiaa || [B]The ten incarnations[/B], and Rama the king, came into being. [/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਦੈਤਾ ਮਾਰੇ ਧਾਇ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਬਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] dhaithaa maarae dhhaae hukam sabaaeiaa || According to His Will, they quickly killed all the demons. [/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਈਸ ਮਹੇਸੁਰੁ ਸੇਵ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] ees mehaesur saev thinhee anth n paaeiaa || Shiva serves Him, but cannot find His limits. [/COLOR][B][COLOR=black]All talk prevailed in Guru times is presented as per HIS ordinance, this is all HIS play, even considered so big guys, Guru ji says about them, that none could even know HIM and HIS infinity. References are used and Guru ji beautifully adds his commentary which is the final truth. Read the following[/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਸਚੀ ਕੀਮਤਿ ਪਾਇ ਤਖਤੁ ਰਚਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] sachee keemath paae thakhath rachaaeiaa || He established His throne on the principles of Truth. [/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi]ਦੁਨੀਆ ਧੰਧੈ ਲਾਇ ਆਪੁ ਛਪਾਇਆ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] dhuneeaa dhhandhhai laae aap shhapaaeiaa || He enjoined all the world to its tasks, while He keeps Himself hidden from view. ~SGGS Ji p. 1279 [/COLOR] .[COLOR=indigo][FONT=Raavi] ਜੇਵਡੁ ਆਪਿ ਜਾਣੈ ਆਪਿ ਆਪਿ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=indigo] jaevadd aap jaanai aap aap || Only He Himself is that Great. He Himself knows Himself. ~SGGS Ji p. 5[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Isnt it clear that no one knows about HIM, all sayings either are guesses or just creation of human mind. When no one `knows then why claims are being made about HIS incarnations? Why does Guru ji states HIM as” AJOONI”? [U]Because HE is[/U], only in HIS Sargun sroop, HE is present, not in chosen ones but in all.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][COLOR=navy] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਨਾਮੁ ਪੀਆਲਿਆ ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕਾ ਪਥੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] gur anmrith naam peeaaliaa janam maran kaa pathh || The Guru has led me to drink in the Ambrosial Nectar of the Naam, the Name of the Lord; He has released me from the cycle of birth and death. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਸੇਵਿਆ ਭੈ ਭੰਜਨੁ ਦੁਖ ਲਥੁ [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Raavi]੩[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=navy] gur paramaesar saeviaa bhai bhanjan dhukh lathh ||3|| [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=navy]I serve the Guru, the Transcendent Lord, the Dispeller of fear; my suffering has been taken away. ||3|| ~SGGS Ji p. 49[/COLOR] [B][COLOR=black]Above Guru Vaak makes clear the rest doubts about all in questions. Guru shows the real way out of this cycle of birth and death, Guru gives HIS NAAM known as AMBROSIAL NECTOR. Gurbani is in poetry form, it should not be read and understood as verse, there are symbols, metaphors and references. I hope I have stated what you have asked me specially, there should be no confusion. If HE comes in incarnation, then, why there is a need to get out of this cycle? If our ORIGIN is in this cycles, so what is wrong with staying in cycles with HIM then? Truth remains that HE is beyond Birth and Death and there is no chitrgupt, no jamdoot(special agents of death, what about those agents, are they out of birth and death cycle themselves? If so, then we must assume a lot of souls are employed by HIM to do different jobs. O.K. Who is witness to that? NONE because it is fabrication of human mind, these words are used just as fear of death as imagined by some before Guru ji came on stage) Gurbani talks about Hindu talks but keeps his own message above all of this.[/COLOR][/B] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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