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<blockquote data-quote="mattqatsi" data-source="post: 126699" data-attributes="member: 11888"><p>This might be a little hard to explain without giving an example, and I won't give one because it may seems like I'm trying to peddle my own Holy Text. I have given up googling, I can't seem to figure out any adequate search terms. I was wondering about any of the Holy Sikh Scriptures, I'm trying to work out a report (as well as work out my own beliefs) on mathematics hidden within religious texts. I'm not just talking about cool numbers here and there in the text and their meanings, but Holy Seals behind the words.</p><p></p><p><strong>I'm legitimately trying to get an answer, I'm sorry that the long explanation makes it look otherwise, please forgive me.</strong></p><p><strong></strong> </p><p>Wow, this is hard to explain. I've found some mathematical impossibilities in a Passage from my faith and so I'm trying to figure out where else these appear. I'll just give an example without a name, sorry, this is frustrating to explain. This specific passage of 12 verses (ironically enough with a history of early/late manuscript legitimacy controversy) has</p><p></p><p>1. 175 words (which comes out even when divided by 7, there are 25 sevens of words.)</p><p>2. 98 Individual vocabulary words (14 sevens)</p><p>3. 133 Individual forms of the words (19 sevens)</p><p></p><p>--The language is alpha-numeric, which means each letter has a number attached to it. It's like A=1 B=2 C=3 etc. Each letter (and therefore each word) has a numeric value attached to it.--</p><p></p><p>4. The numeric value of the whole passage is 103,663 (14,809 sevens)</p><p>5. Numeric value of the 133 forms -> 89,663 (12,809 sevens)</p><p>6. Out of the 133 forms, only 112 (16 sevens) occur once</p><p>7. The 98 vocab words have 553 letters (79 sevens)</p><p>8. 294 (42 sevens) of those 553 are vowels</p><p>9. 259 (37 sevens) of those 553 are vowels</p><p>10. Out of the 98 vocab words, 84 (12 sevens) are found in the rest of that book</p><p>11. 14 (2 sevens) are only found in this specific passage</p><p>12. Out of the 98 individual vocab words, 42 (6 sevens) are used by the key Leader of the faith during His Speech</p><p>13. 56 (8 sevens) are not part of His vocabulary in this passage</p><p>14. 56 words (8 sevens) are used in His Speech</p><p>15. The rest of the passage has 119 words (17 sevens) </p><p><style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style></p><p>The 175 words in the passage (25 sevens) split into three natural divisions</p><p> [1.] V. 9-11 → 35 words (5 sevens)</p><p> [2.] V. 12-18 → 105 words (15 sevens)</p><p> [3.] V. 19-20 → 35 words (5 sevens)</p><p></p><p> [2.] </p><p> → [V. 12] → 14 words (2 sevens)</p><p> → [V. 13-15] (up to speech) → 35 words (5 sevens)</p><p> → [V. 15-18] (just the speech) → 56 words (8 sevens)</p><p></p><p> <strong>Numeric Values</strong></p><p> 103,663 (14,809 sevens)</p><p></p><p> [V. 9-11] → 17,213 (2,459 sevens)</p><p> [V. 12-20] → 86,450 (12,350 sevens)</p><p></p><p> [9 → 11,705] (1,685 sevens)</p><p> [10 → 5418] (774 sevens)</p><p> [11 → 11,705] (1,685 sevens)</p><p></p><p> [V.10]</p><p> First word (ekeinos) → 98 (14 sevens)</p><p> Last word (klaio) → 791 (113 sevens)</p><p> Remaining → 4529 (647 sevens)</p><p></p><p> <u>133 Forms (19 sevens)</u></p><p> When laid out alphabetically</p><p> First word is 224 (32 sevens)</p><p> Last word is 1134 (162 sevens)</p><p> </p><p> <u>175 total words/numeric values split into 4 categories:</u></p><p> Units (1 figure. i.e. '5')</p><p> Tens (2 figures. i.e. '17')</p><p> Hundreds (3 figures. i.e. '234')</p><p> Thousands (4 figures. i.e. '1897')</p><p> </p><p> Two extremes (units/thousands) → 42 words (6 sevens)</p><p> Two inside ones (tens/hundreds) → 133 words (19 sevens)</p><p></p><p> <strong>Letters</strong></p><p> <u>V. 9-12 → 35 words (5 sevens)</u></p><p> 14 (2 sevens) begin with a vowel</p><p> 21 (3 sevens) begin with consonant</p><p> 21 (3 sevens) end with vowel</p><p> 14 (2 sevens) end with consonant</p><p> 7 begin and end with a vowel</p><p> 84 (12 sevens) syllables</p><p></p><p> Numeric Value of V. 9-12 → 17,213 (2,459 sevens)</p><p> When laid out, grab every 7th value of these 35 words: [1,400] [386] [1,171] [1,247] [857]</p><p> Adds to 5,061 (723 sevens)</p><p> Only one is divisible by 7 (1,400 → 200 sevens)</p><p> </p><p> With the whole passage (175 words → 25 sevens) laid out, the values of every 25<sup>th</sup> word are [791] [21] [591] [1533] [21] [651] [1113]</p><p> All but one are divisible by 7 (591)</p><p></p><p><strong>DONE</strong></p><p>This is not even half of the values that I have found, there are more for this one passage as well as similar results with many other passages in this Holy Book (The specific Book, not the full Holy Text)</p><p></p><p>So my question is, has there ever been any research done on the mathematical inner workings of the different Sikh Scriptures? Either research like this or other mathematical analysis's (or however you spell the plural of analysis)?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="mattqatsi, post: 126699, member: 11888"] This might be a little hard to explain without giving an example, and I won't give one because it may seems like I'm trying to peddle my own Holy Text. I have given up googling, I can't seem to figure out any adequate search terms. I was wondering about any of the Holy Sikh Scriptures, I'm trying to work out a report (as well as work out my own beliefs) on mathematics hidden within religious texts. I'm not just talking about cool numbers here and there in the text and their meanings, but Holy Seals behind the words. [B]I'm legitimately trying to get an answer, I'm sorry that the long explanation makes it look otherwise, please forgive me. [/B] Wow, this is hard to explain. I've found some mathematical impossibilities in a Passage from my faith and so I'm trying to figure out where else these appear. I'll just give an example without a name, sorry, this is frustrating to explain. This specific passage of 12 verses (ironically enough with a history of early/late manuscript legitimacy controversy) has 1. 175 words (which comes out even when divided by 7, there are 25 sevens of words.) 2. 98 Individual vocabulary words (14 sevens) 3. 133 Individual forms of the words (19 sevens) --The language is alpha-numeric, which means each letter has a number attached to it. It's like A=1 B=2 C=3 etc. Each letter (and therefore each word) has a numeric value attached to it.-- 4. The numeric value of the whole passage is 103,663 (14,809 sevens) 5. Numeric value of the 133 forms -> 89,663 (12,809 sevens) 6. Out of the 133 forms, only 112 (16 sevens) occur once 7. The 98 vocab words have 553 letters (79 sevens) 8. 294 (42 sevens) of those 553 are vowels 9. 259 (37 sevens) of those 553 are vowels 10. Out of the 98 vocab words, 84 (12 sevens) are found in the rest of that book 11. 14 (2 sevens) are only found in this specific passage 12. Out of the 98 individual vocab words, 42 (6 sevens) are used by the key Leader of the faith during His Speech 13. 56 (8 sevens) are not part of His vocabulary in this passage 14. 56 words (8 sevens) are used in His Speech 15. The rest of the passage has 119 words (17 sevens) <style type="text/css"> <!-- @page { margin: 0.79in } P { margin-bottom: 0.08in } --> </style> The 175 words in the passage (25 sevens) split into three natural divisions [1.] V. 9-11 → 35 words (5 sevens) [2.] V. 12-18 → 105 words (15 sevens) [3.] V. 19-20 → 35 words (5 sevens) [2.] → [V. 12] → 14 words (2 sevens) → [V. 13-15] (up to speech) → 35 words (5 sevens) → [V. 15-18] (just the speech) → 56 words (8 sevens) [B]Numeric Values[/B] 103,663 (14,809 sevens) [V. 9-11] → 17,213 (2,459 sevens) [V. 12-20] → 86,450 (12,350 sevens) [9 → 11,705] (1,685 sevens) [10 → 5418] (774 sevens) [11 → 11,705] (1,685 sevens) [V.10] First word (ekeinos) → 98 (14 sevens) Last word (klaio) → 791 (113 sevens) Remaining → 4529 (647 sevens) [U]133 Forms (19 sevens)[/U] When laid out alphabetically First word is 224 (32 sevens) Last word is 1134 (162 sevens) [U]175 total words/numeric values split into 4 categories:[/U] Units (1 figure. i.e. '5') Tens (2 figures. i.e. '17') Hundreds (3 figures. i.e. '234') Thousands (4 figures. i.e. '1897') Two extremes (units/thousands) → 42 words (6 sevens) Two inside ones (tens/hundreds) → 133 words (19 sevens) [B]Letters[/B] [U]V. 9-12 → 35 words (5 sevens)[/U] 14 (2 sevens) begin with a vowel 21 (3 sevens) begin with consonant 21 (3 sevens) end with vowel 14 (2 sevens) end with consonant 7 begin and end with a vowel 84 (12 sevens) syllables Numeric Value of V. 9-12 → 17,213 (2,459 sevens) When laid out, grab every 7th value of these 35 words: [1,400] [386] [1,171] [1,247] [857] Adds to 5,061 (723 sevens) Only one is divisible by 7 (1,400 → 200 sevens) With the whole passage (175 words → 25 sevens) laid out, the values of every 25<sup>th</sup> word are [791] [21] [591] [1533] [21] [651] [1113] All but one are divisible by 7 (591) [B]DONE[/B] This is not even half of the values that I have found, there are more for this one passage as well as similar results with many other passages in this Holy Book (The specific Book, not the full Holy Text) So my question is, has there ever been any research done on the mathematical inner workings of the different Sikh Scriptures? Either research like this or other mathematical analysis's (or however you spell the plural of analysis)? [/QUOTE]
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