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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="harsimiritkaur" data-source="post: 19219" data-attributes="member: 1661"><p>Jesus never asked God what he had done wrong while he was hanging on the cross. He did ask, "Elohi Elohi, lama sabakhthani." Another gospel says, "Eli Eli, lama zavachthani?" translations are, "My God, My God, why have you deserted me." The other one is "My God, My God, why have you offered me."</p><p>If you read Sri Raag, there are many times written, "Hao vari jio" I am an offering sacrifice (for the sake of propegating Guru's message of truthfulness). Guru Nanak said, "Variya na java ek vaar" I am not even worthy of being a sacrifice even once. (Jap Ji Sahib).</p><p>The night before his crucifixion, Jesus was up all night contemplating, and he said. "If it be your will, let this cup (of sacrifice) pass from me. Some people think this means he did not want to be sacrificed, and that he prayed God would send someone else. I think he meant the same thing as Guru Nanak, "Variya na java ek var." Jesus was praying he probably meant, "If it is not Your will that I offer myself for the sake of truthfulness, then I will nto be full of ego to make me disappointed." He was willing to suffer without any ego. He never asked if he did anything wrong. He did not do anything wrong, and the people who tortured him were blinded by their ego, because he said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing.</p><p>When we lack Gur Gian in our thoughts, then we do not know what we are doing. We are suckers to our five vices. We are blinded from walking in truthfulness. We are in a false perspective of reality, so we make mistakes, we miss the mark "sin". Jesus, torturers thought they were doing it all by themselves, when it was the natural laws of the universe that allows their bodies to operate to torture or to rescue. All is because of the grace of God. But they thought they could kill him. THEY COULD NOT KILL HIM according the the Biblical Text, because He gave up his ghost. He died within a couple of hours. Death by crucifixion takes several days, and one dies of suffication first. The hands and feet are stretched apart and the legs slightly bent so that one can push the feet up a little to catch breath. Eventually one's legs tire out and then one sufficates. Jesus died in a few hours, unlike all other crucifixions. He willingly dies. All others wished they could die faster. The Biblical text also mentions that he never opened up his mouth in anger, nor cried, other than his conversation with God and a few others nearby.</p><p>Anyway, the Bible says that whosoever calleth upon the name of the Lord will be saved. This means one who has Naam is already experienced salvation. It is not the ritual of calling any diety's name, but it is all about having name. God does not need us to pronounce any syllables for salvation. Even the deaf and mute can have naam without speaking. Accepting all the natural laws of the universe, accepting hukam, Jesus said, "Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven."</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="harsimiritkaur, post: 19219, member: 1661"] Jesus never asked God what he had done wrong while he was hanging on the cross. He did ask, "Elohi Elohi, lama sabakhthani." Another gospel says, "Eli Eli, lama zavachthani?" translations are, "My God, My God, why have you deserted me." The other one is "My God, My God, why have you offered me." If you read Sri Raag, there are many times written, "Hao vari jio" I am an offering sacrifice (for the sake of propegating Guru's message of truthfulness). Guru Nanak said, "Variya na java ek vaar" I am not even worthy of being a sacrifice even once. (Jap Ji Sahib). The night before his crucifixion, Jesus was up all night contemplating, and he said. "If it be your will, let this cup (of sacrifice) pass from me. Some people think this means he did not want to be sacrificed, and that he prayed God would send someone else. I think he meant the same thing as Guru Nanak, "Variya na java ek var." Jesus was praying he probably meant, "If it is not Your will that I offer myself for the sake of truthfulness, then I will nto be full of ego to make me disappointed." He was willing to suffer without any ego. He never asked if he did anything wrong. He did not do anything wrong, and the people who tortured him were blinded by their ego, because he said, "Father forgive them, for they know not what they are doing. When we lack Gur Gian in our thoughts, then we do not know what we are doing. We are suckers to our five vices. We are blinded from walking in truthfulness. We are in a false perspective of reality, so we make mistakes, we miss the mark "sin". Jesus, torturers thought they were doing it all by themselves, when it was the natural laws of the universe that allows their bodies to operate to torture or to rescue. All is because of the grace of God. But they thought they could kill him. THEY COULD NOT KILL HIM according the the Biblical Text, because He gave up his ghost. He died within a couple of hours. Death by crucifixion takes several days, and one dies of suffication first. The hands and feet are stretched apart and the legs slightly bent so that one can push the feet up a little to catch breath. Eventually one's legs tire out and then one sufficates. Jesus died in a few hours, unlike all other crucifixions. He willingly dies. All others wished they could die faster. The Biblical text also mentions that he never opened up his mouth in anger, nor cried, other than his conversation with God and a few others nearby. Anyway, the Bible says that whosoever calleth upon the name of the Lord will be saved. This means one who has Naam is already experienced salvation. It is not the ritual of calling any diety's name, but it is all about having name. God does not need us to pronounce any syllables for salvation. Even the deaf and mute can have naam without speaking. Accepting all the natural laws of the universe, accepting hukam, Jesus said, "Your kingdom come, Your will be done on earth as it is in heaven." [/QUOTE]
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