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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="simpy" data-source="post: 25998" data-attributes="member: 9395"><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Respected MAX314,</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I know you are a strong advocate of “lying helps”. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Some people live their whole life defending for so-called “White lies”.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">With God’s grace a person who is courageous believe in handling everything with truth/facts on hand and with a response to the circumstances he/she facing and not reacting to them.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #ff0000">You say: “God has given us eyes, ears, mouth and mind. They're not for show. They're to be used.”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You think you will have the ability to use what is given to you if the Giver does not want you to do so. God is within you my dear, using and watching His own Creation (the senses and the organs you think are given to you, nothing belongs to you). You are not separate from the Watcher; this separation is only an illusion. Try to scratch deep within you and find your true self. Only then you will know, you cannot even think apart from Him, leave alone doing anything.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Develop the qualities those are your eternal nature; in the end all is going to be Him and Him and only Him. Develop that nirbhao, nirvair nature. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You may think we are having this conversation. No, me, you, this website, our computers and everything else involved here are only mediums for this. You may not get anything at all out of it, may be it is a visitor on the website whose some question /inquiry is going to get answered through this, may be it will effect you indirectly at some later stage of your Spiritual progress. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">There is no separation between the mediums used in this conversation either, there is no you, no me and no other readers. It is all Him and His Creation creating a change in the changeless. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You say: “But he's also given you the ability to influence your fate.”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Count instances in your life when lying has helped you influence your fate. Something might help you for a very short while, but forever, I cannot buy it at any cost. Fate is influenced by God’s grace my dear. God’s grace comes in with His remembrance. There is NO OTHER WAY. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You say: “"Whatever it takes" would include lying.”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Yes for a fearful person it does include lying. When courage comes in your life, fear disappears, so do the prodiginy of fear (one of them is lying). Courage has deep roots; so does the truth; it is not based on false assumptions like fear and lie are. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You must have seen mostly courageous people look you straight in the eye. Courage is freedom. There is no room for LYING in the life of a courageous person. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">People who learn Bani, and then start living it, at some stage they start experiencing this eternal nature of theirs. It is a wonderful experience. <strong><em><u>You are standing amidst of uncertainties and you are not afraid of anything at all.</u></em></strong> The level of TRUST gets so high with Courage that there is no room left for false assumptions. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #ff0000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You say: “And yet, the Guru advocated the act of killing and engaging in martial action because of the long-term affect. If he had sat back on his laurels and said "well...ya know...it's all God's will, so let's just keep saying 'waheguru' and see what happens, eh?", then I'm sure the story of India's history would have a far more different face than the one there is today.”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Where Guru sahib advocated lies at all? </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Act of killing; try to understand first why they advocated. It was to protect the suffering humanity at that time. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Accepting God’s Will does not mean the way you are defining it. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In simple words: you take the right action with intelligence of your brain, trust of your heart, with the insight you have, without expecting the results, leaving everything in His hands. </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Submission to God's Will means that you realize whatever comes from Him is for your own good. Your will is merged in His Will.</span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> For this you have to </span></span><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">conquer the self by complete surrender.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">When you lie to someone what you are doing:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">You are treating people as means to the end you wish to accomplish. Morally, Socially and Spiritually it is wrong my dear.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">A time will come when you will realize this. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Please forgive me if I hurt your beliefs.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Guru Bhala Karey</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="simpy, post: 25998, member: 9395"] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Respected MAX314,[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]I know you are a strong advocate of “lying helps”. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Some people live their whole life defending for so-called “White lies”.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]With God’s grace a person who is courageous believe in handling everything with truth/facts on hand and with a response to the circumstances he/she facing and not reacting to them.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#ff0000]You say: “God has given us eyes, ears, mouth and mind. They're not for show. They're to be used.”[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]You think you will have the ability to use what is given to you if the Giver does not want you to do so. God is within you my dear, using and watching His own Creation (the senses and the organs you think are given to you, nothing belongs to you). You are not separate from the Watcher; this separation is only an illusion. Try to scratch deep within you and find your true self. Only then you will know, you cannot even think apart from Him, leave alone doing anything.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Develop the qualities those are your eternal nature; in the end all is going to be Him and Him and only Him. Develop that nirbhao, nirvair nature. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]You may think we are having this conversation. No, me, you, this website, our computers and everything else involved here are only mediums for this. You may not get anything at all out of it, may be it is a visitor on the website whose some question /inquiry is going to get answered through this, may be it will effect you indirectly at some later stage of your Spiritual progress. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]There is no separation between the mediums used in this conversation either, there is no you, no me and no other readers. It is all Him and His Creation creating a change in the changeless. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]You say: “But he's also given you the ability to influence your fate.”[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Count instances in your life when lying has helped you influence your fate. Something might help you for a very short while, but forever, I cannot buy it at any cost. Fate is influenced by God’s grace my dear. God’s grace comes in with His remembrance. There is NO OTHER WAY. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]You say: “"Whatever it takes" would include lying.”[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Yes for a fearful person it does include lying. When courage comes in your life, fear disappears, so do the prodiginy of fear (one of them is lying). Courage has deep roots; so does the truth; it is not based on false assumptions like fear and lie are. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]You must have seen mostly courageous people look you straight in the eye. Courage is freedom. There is no room for LYING in the life of a courageous person. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]People who learn Bani, and then start living it, at some stage they start experiencing this eternal nature of theirs. It is a wonderful experience. [B][I][U]You are standing amidst of uncertainties and you are not afraid of anything at all.[/U][/I][/B] The level of TRUST gets so high with Courage that there is no room left for false assumptions. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]You say: “And yet, the Guru advocated the act of killing and engaging in martial action because of the long-term affect. If he had sat back on his laurels and said "well...ya know...it's all God's will, so let's just keep saying 'waheguru' and see what happens, eh?", then I'm sure the story of India's history would have a far more different face than the one there is today.”[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Where Guru sahib advocated lies at all? [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Act of killing; try to understand first why they advocated. It was to protect the suffering humanity at that time. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Accepting God’s Will does not mean the way you are defining it. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]In simple words: you take the right action with intelligence of your brain, trust of your heart, with the insight you have, without expecting the results, leaving everything in His hands. [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]Submission to God's Will means that you realize whatever comes from Him is for your own good. Your will is merged in His Will.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial] For this you have to [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial]conquer the self by complete surrender.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]When you lie to someone what you are doing:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]You are treating people as means to the end you wish to accomplish. Morally, Socially and Spiritually it is wrong my dear.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]A time will come when you will realize this. [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Please forgive me if I hurt your beliefs.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Guru Bhala Karey[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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