Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!
  1.   Become a Supporter    ::   Make a Contribution   
    Target (Recurring Monthly): $200 :: Achieved: $98

I've Been Engaging On Other Forums

Discussion in 'Blogs' started by sukhsingh, Apr 20, 2017.

  1. sukhsingh

    sukhsingh
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    128
    I have found many of them very hostile to exegesis, I believe it is important to engage with people we disagree with or with those who disagree with me.. I think it is important to do this as otherwise I would be surrounded by like minded sycophants with whom I generally have a lot in common..

    What do other people think?
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  2. Loading...


  3. RD1

    RD1 Canada
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2016
    Messages:
    238
    Likes Received:
    95
    Agreed, its extremely important to engage with people who may disagree with oneself - as Sikhs we are supposed to be perpetual students, seekers of truth. In order to accomplish this, it is vital to be exposed to and entertain alternate perspectives. Otherwise, we will trap ourselves in our own usual loops of thinking. Our personal growth and development can come to a standstill. We will become biased.

    Open-mindedness is key. We may not have to agree with what someone else is saying, however, it is important to give good thought to what others have to say. And once we have thoroughly evaluated their point, we can decide what to do with that - to accept it or dismiss is or integrate it into our own world view. There isn't just one way to think or live. Its best to keep evolving our minds.

    Through interacting with others, being open to other ways of life and other perspectives, we grow ourselves. Not only can we develop our intellect, but we can also become more empathetic. It can also bring our own hidden biases, subjectivity, and ignorance to the surface, and give us an opportunity to open our eyes wider and work on improving ourselves. No one knows it all. There is so much we can learn from each other. With many things in life there is no certain right or wrong answer, nothing is black and white. Closed mindedness ultimately leads to stagnation, rigidness, and intolerance.
     
    • Like Like x 1
  4. OP
    sukhsingh

    sukhsingh
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    128
    Why is it then many of us to not challenge or question more vocally the Sikh groups who promote a very different version of sikhi discussed here?
     
  5. RD1

    RD1 Canada
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Sep 26, 2016
    Messages:
    238
    Likes Received:
    95
    Hmm perhaps none of us really know the exact answers, so we allow everyone to believe what they want? We are all trying to learn together....perhaps we quietly contemplate to ourselves, but are too uncomfortable voicing differing opinions to other? Or maybe trying to be too polite?

    Also we live in an odd culture....its like people will either say nothing, or fight if they disagree with someone. Perhaps none of us have really mastered the art of true open discussion, of true conversation and open exchange of ideas. Maybe we are all afraid of criticism.

    Albeit, I'd day this forum is generally healthy, and there are many different ideas that get put out there, and we do challenge one another.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  6. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,240
    Likes Received:
    1,818
    I was on another forum recently and I was banned very quickly because I basically asked the moderators to be impartial. They basically were allowing open bashing of one jatha by members (things like calling AKJ 'Pakhand Kirtan Jatha' were allowed with no warnings to those posters while merely stating the obvious- that those same members who considered themselves part of that other jatha were showing hatred and superiority in their posts - was considered 'jatha hate mongering' and was moderated) so their 'staff' as it were are not interested in discussion between people who disagree on issues in sikhi but rather pushing only one agenda. Because I openly posed asking the staff to be impartial and that if they were truly against jatha hate mongering then they would also moderate and warn posters saying things against the other jathas... that got me banned without warning.

    So no I don't tend to go to those other sites. One track minds...
     
  7. OP
    sukhsingh

    sukhsingh
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    128
    I would agree with your points above I think they all act as barriers. I also think that some of the vitriol aimed at people who don't tow the line with some of the chauvinism is also off putting..

    However I believe it is important to bring plurality to forums claiming to represent or authoritive on Sikhism.

    This forum is fantastic and whilst there is vigorous debate on here and it is welcomed and healthy, I do sometimes think of reclusive sadhus engaging in high minded philosophical discussions
     
    • Like Like x 1
  8. OP
    sukhsingh

    sukhsingh
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 14, 2012
    Messages:
    270
    Likes Received:
    128
    I have been censored, banned and hounded on these sites with personal details about me shared and veiled threats made.. And I know others have had a similar treatment. Should we allow this behavior to deter us?
     
    • Like Like x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
  9. Harkiran Kaur

    Harkiran Kaur Canada
    Expand Collapse

    Leader

    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2012
    Messages:
    1,240
    Likes Received:
    1,818
    Exact same thing, I have had my personal real life details posted along with directed insults and veiled threats, name calling I have been called Guru Nindak more than once... all because I dared to post a different view from theirs (usually related to female / male equality in Sikhi).
     
Since you're here... we have a small favor to ask...

More people are visiting & reading SPN than ever but far fewer are paying to sustain it. Advertising revenues across the online media have fallen fast. So you can see why we need to ask for your help. Donating to SPN's is vote for free speech, for diversity of opinions, for the right of the people to stand up to religious bigotry. Without any affiliation to any organization, this constant struggle takes a lot of hard work to sustain as we entirely depend on the contributions of our esteemed writers/readers. We do it because we believe our perspective matters – because it might well be your perspective, too... Fund our efforts and together we can keep the world informed about the real Sikh Sikhi Sikhism. If everyone who writes or reads our content, who likes it, helps us to pay for it, our future would be much more secure. Every Contribution Matters, Contribute Generously!

    Become a Supporter      ::     Make a Contribution     



Share This Page