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<blockquote data-quote="Rana" data-source="post: 121123" data-attributes="member: 11060"><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black">It is hard fact that Sikhism was</span><span style="color: black">innovated by Guru Nanak on the basis of Islam and Hinduism as shown by following Reference:</span></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/sikhism" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/sikhism</span></a> </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Guru Nanak (1469-1539) was one of the greatest religious innovators of all time and the founder of the Sikh religion. Guru Nanak's religious ideas draw on both <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Hindu</span></a> and <a href="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Islamic</span></a> thought. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Faith:</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">There is only one God </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">God is without form, or gender </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Everyone has direct access to God </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Everyone is equal before God </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">A good life is lived as part of a community, by living honestly and caring for others </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Empty religious rituals and superstitions have no value </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Life attributes:</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sikhs try to avoid the five vices that make people self-centred, and build barriers against God in their lives.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Lust </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Covetousness and greed </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Attachment to things of this world </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Anger </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'">· </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Pride </span></span></p><p><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">If a person can overcome these vices they are on the road to liberation”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The above facts clearly show that most of the faith and Life attributes in Sikhism are same as in Islam. For example faith part is exactly same as in Islam which is absent in Hinduism. The fact is that in religion we cannot just chose and reject on the bases of our worldly inaccurate understandings and just invent a new religion BUT need a divine book and a prophet. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Being Sikh you cannot even say that Quran is wrong (Astagfirullh) as by the following: </span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><strong>"Say not that the Vedas and Muslim books are false. False is he, who reflects not on them." (Bhagat Kabir, Parbhati, pg. 1350)</strong></span></span></em></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The Sri Guru Granth Sahib contains several scripts from SEVEN Muslim saints including Baba Farid Shakarganj. It only proves that Guru Nanak has no objection to these saints’ faith or religion. Sikhism is commonly understood as a compromise between the teachings of Hinduism and Islam. But a careful study of Sikh traditions and relics of Sikhism lead to an irrefutable conclusion that Guru Nanak discarded the Hindu doctrines and assimilated the teachings of Islam to such an extent that Sikhism, in its pristine form, can be looked upon as a sect of Islam. It looks like that the later Gurus departed away from Islam due to some political reasons and hostility towards Mughals.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I would like to mention here that most of the websites about Sikhism show lack of knowledge about Islam and Muslims like on <a href="http://www.sikhworld.co.uk/" target="_blank"><span style="color: #0000ff">www.<em>Sikhworld.co.uk</em></span></a></span></span><em><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> it quotes from Quran but with a very wrong translation like under: </span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">“Your wives are a </span></span></em><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><strong>filth</strong></span></span></em><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> for you, so go into your </span></span></em><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><strong>filth</strong></span></span></em><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves; and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers. (Quran, 2: 223)</span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Explanation on the sikhworld:</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> Also in the Ayeh it says that women are dirt for men, and men can go into their dirt or mud anyway they want and then it talks about Allah and the fact that people will see him, and then says give good news to believers. What is the good news that he has to give to the believers? Could the good news be the clause “your wives are filth for you”. So men can abuse women as they want?</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Whereas the correct word must be tilth (field rich/good for cultivations of seeds) NOT filth and I don’t think there is any English translation out there which translate Arabic word “harth” into filth as it give totally wrong meaning. To compare wife to a tilth is very logical as from both we get new productions. It is source of to him. He sows seeds in order to reap the harvest but he chooses his own time and mode of cultivation. He does not sows out of season not cultivates in a manner which will injure or exhausts the soil. </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">It is quoted on the same website on the other place as under: </span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">“Your wives are as a field unto you, So approach your field When or how ye will.” </span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">(Holy Quran 2:223)</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">“Those who swear that they will not go in to their wives should wait four months; so if they go back, then Allah is surely Forgiving, Merciful. (Quran, 2: 226)”</span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Expalanation on the sikhworld</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">“Does this mean that if a man got angry at his wife, he should not sleep with her for four months and if he does sleep with her in those months then Allah will forgive him ? For what ? Why is it the </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><strong>business of Allah</strong></span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> if a husband or wife sleep with each other or not?”</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Here you just gone out of proportion by saying rude words to Allah swt. You think its not Allah’s business whatever we do in this life ? No no!! we must be obedient to and servant of Allah swt in each and every moment of our life. This verse actually is some sort of favor for the women to protect their rights. Historically, Arabs used to swear not to meet their wives but were still keeping them bond not letting them go. Allah is requiring that you cannot do that for more than 4 months. You should go back to them to meet and live in good manner again by 4 months but if things don’t work at all then divorce is the second option.</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">The same website prove a big ignorance about Islam by claiming that Muslims women cannot enter Mecca as</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> “Guru Ji chose Mecca because it is the holy place for Muslims and every Muslim to connected to Mecca so what better place to preach to Muslims than Mecca. But there was a problem; Mecca is open only to Muslims males. Not even Muslim women can enter Mecca”</span></span></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><strong>The same website describes the visit of Guru Nanak to Mecca as under:</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">“Bhai Gurdas Ji (a much respected Sikh), depicts these incidents in one of His books which shows that Guru Ji got into Mecca and preached the truth.</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Donning blue attire then Baba Nanak went to Mecca. He held staff in his hand, pressed a book under his armpit, caught hold of a metal pot and mattress. Now he sat in a mosque where the pilgrims (hajis) had gathered. When Baba (Nanak) slept in the night spreading his legs towards the alcove of mosque at Kaba, the qazi named Jivan kicked him and asked who was this infidel enacting blasphemy. Why this sinner is sleeping his legs spread towards God, Khuda. Catching hold of the legs he lynched (Baba Nanak) and lo and behold the miracle, the whole of Mecca seemed to be revolving. All got surprised and they all bowed. (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Var 1, page 1)</span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Qazi and maulvis got together and began discussing religion.</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> <em>A great fantasy has been created and no one could understand its mystery.</em> <em>They asked Baba Nanak to open and search in his book whether Hindu is great or the Muslim.</em> <em>Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail.</em> <em>Only by being a Hindu or a Muslim one can not get accepted in the court of the Lord. (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Var 1, page 1)</em></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Guru Ji preached the truth and by listening to Him Muslims treated Him as their Pir (Holy Saint). Muslims believed God spoke through Guru Nanak Dev Ji. When he was about to leave, Muslims asked Him to leave something of His behind. So he left his slippers which the priest kept inside Mecca that time. When the priest retired he took it with him back to his home and his family still has this slipper. This is how much respect the Muslims had and have for Guru Nanak Sahib Ji”</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Now think about these illogical claims that <em>Qazi and maulvis asked Guru Nanak </em></span></span><em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">if Hindus are great or Muslims ???? very very funny ??? Those Qazis had doubt that Hindus may be better than Muslim ? Why they should ask Guru Nanak as according to the website he pretended as a Muslim to enter Mecca. Therefore, it is totally baseless to say that a Muslim priest or Qazi/Shiekh is not firm and confident about his faith’s truth ??? Everybody knows that those sorts of people are so much concerned and selective that they even not accepting other sects in the Islam itself, how come they think that Hindus may be better than us ????</span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">We know that in Mecca we cannot even think of anything like that even any picture etc of any prophet/king/sheikh of any level. How come a priest put slippers of Guru Nanak there ???? It sounds like a very disrespectful fabrication. </span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Another Sikhism website <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca" target="_blank"><span style="color: #800080">www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca</span></a> said while Guru Nanak was in Mecca </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“</span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">One of them (Hajjis) said to the Guru, ‘Holy Sir, give me something which will always remind me of you.’ The Guru gave him his pair of sandals. They were respectfully kept in the Kaaba for some time. That Muslim fakir then returned to India. He brought the sandals with him. He kept them in his temple at <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara_Thara_Sahib_(Uch)" target="_blank"><span style="color: red">Uch in Bahawalpur</span></a>, now in Pakistan”</span></span><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> The point is could a Muslim fakir can put shoes of anybody in inside Kaaba for blessing? If yes how could he be free to take home and put in his </span></span><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><strong>temple</strong></span></span><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> (not mosque/mizar/tomb)?</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">The Muslims don’t believe that Allah lives in Mecca’s black stone or in the Middle-East etc but fact is, his manifestation is everywhere and He </span></span></em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">encompasses all things. In other words ”</span></span><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><strong>Allah existed eternally & there weren’t any places created & after He created all the places, He is now as He was without a place”</strong></span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">The website</span></span><em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca claimed that </span></span></em><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">“Guru Nanak went to Mecca in blue attire worn by Hajjis”</span></span></em><em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> and </span></span></em><em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">“</span></span></em><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">he looked like a typical hajji. All along, he acted in every way as hajjis did. Bhai Mardana, a Muslim, was with him he also dressed as a hajji”</span></span><em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">but</span></span></em><em><span style="color: #0070c0"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"> the picture shows Guru Nanak, Bala (Hindu companion) and Mradana (Muslim companion) all having turbines too but, as a matter of fact Hajjis only wear Ihraam (2 white sheets) and cannot have turban etc while performing Umrah/Hajj inside the Kaaba area. </span></span></em></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #002060"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Rana, post: 121123, member: 11060"] [SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black]It is hard fact that Sikhism was[/COLOR][COLOR=black]innovated by Guru Nanak on the basis of Islam and Hinduism as shown by following Reference:[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/sikhism"][COLOR=#800080]www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/sikhism[/COLOR][/URL] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]“Guru Nanak (1469-1539) was one of the greatest religious innovators of all time and the founder of the Sikh religion. Guru Nanak's religious ideas draw on both [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/hinduism/"][COLOR=red]Hindu[/COLOR][/URL] and [URL="http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/"][COLOR=red]Islamic[/COLOR][/URL] thought. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana][B]Faith:[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]There is only one God [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]God is without form, or gender [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Everyone has direct access to God [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Everyone is equal before God [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]A good life is lived as part of a community, by living honestly and caring for others [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Empty religious rituals and superstitions have no value [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana][B]Life attributes:[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Sikhs try to avoid the five vices that make people self-centred, and build barriers against God in their lives.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Lust [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Covetousness and greed [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Attachment to things of this world [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Anger [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Symbol]· [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]Pride [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]If a person can overcome these vices they are on the road to liberation”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The above facts clearly show that most of the faith and Life attributes in Sikhism are same as in Islam. For example faith part is exactly same as in Islam which is absent in Hinduism. The fact is that in religion we cannot just chose and reject on the bases of our worldly inaccurate understandings and just invent a new religion BUT need a divine book and a prophet. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Being Sikh you cannot even say that Quran is wrong (Astagfirullh) as by the following: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=navy][FONT=Trebuchet MS][B]"Say not that the Vedas and Muslim books are false. False is he, who reflects not on them." (Bhagat Kabir, Parbhati, pg. 1350)[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#002060][FONT=Times New Roman]The Sri Guru Granth Sahib contains several scripts from SEVEN Muslim saints including Baba Farid Shakarganj. It only proves that Guru Nanak has no objection to these saints’ faith or religion. Sikhism is commonly understood as a compromise between the teachings of Hinduism and Islam. But a careful study of Sikh traditions and relics of Sikhism lead to an irrefutable conclusion that Guru Nanak discarded the Hindu doctrines and assimilated the teachings of Islam to such an extent that Sikhism, in its pristine form, can be looked upon as a sect of Islam. It looks like that the later Gurus departed away from Islam due to some political reasons and hostility towards Mughals.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#002060][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman]I would like to mention here that most of the websites about Sikhism show lack of knowledge about Islam and Muslims like on [URL="http://www.sikhworld.co.uk/"][COLOR=#0000ff]www.[I]Sikhworld.co.uk[/I][/COLOR][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][I][COLOR=navy][FONT=Times New Roman] it quotes from Quran but with a very wrong translation like under: [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]“Your wives are a [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS][B]filth[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS] for you, so go into your [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS][B]filth[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS] when you like, and do good beforehand for yourselves; and be careful (of your duty) to Allah, and know that you will meet Him, and give good news to the believers. (Quran, 2: 223)[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#002060][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Explanation on the sikhworld:[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS] Also in the Ayeh it says that women are dirt for men, and men can go into their dirt or mud anyway they want and then it talks about Allah and the fact that people will see him, and then says give good news to believers. What is the good news that he has to give to the believers? Could the good news be the clause “your wives are filth for you”. So men can abuse women as they want?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Whereas the correct word must be tilth (field rich/good for cultivations of seeds) NOT filth and I don’t think there is any English translation out there which translate Arabic word “harth” into filth as it give totally wrong meaning. To compare wife to a tilth is very logical as from both we get new productions. It is source of to him. He sows seeds in order to reap the harvest but he chooses his own time and mode of cultivation. He does not sows out of season not cultivates in a manner which will injure or exhausts the soil. [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=navy][FONT=Trebuchet MS]It is quoted on the same website on the other place as under: [/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]“Your wives are as a field unto you, So approach your field When or how ye will.” [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS](Holy Quran 2:223)[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]“Those who swear that they will not go in to their wives should wait four months; so if they go back, then Allah is surely Forgiving, Merciful. (Quran, 2: 226)”[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#002060][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Expalanation on the sikhworld[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]“Does this mean that if a man got angry at his wife, he should not sleep with her for four months and if he does sleep with her in those months then Allah will forgive him ? For what ? Why is it the [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS][B]business of Allah[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS] if a husband or wife sleep with each other or not?”[/FONT][/COLOR] [B][COLOR=#002060][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Here you just gone out of proportion by saying rude words to Allah swt. You think its not Allah’s business whatever we do in this life ? No no!! we must be obedient to and servant of Allah swt in each and every moment of our life. This verse actually is some sort of favor for the women to protect their rights. Historically, Arabs used to swear not to meet their wives but were still keeping them bond not letting them go. Allah is requiring that you cannot do that for more than 4 months. You should go back to them to meet and live in good manner again by 4 months but if things don’t work at all then divorce is the second option.[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR=#002060][FONT=Trebuchet MS]The same website prove a big ignorance about Islam by claiming that Muslims women cannot enter Mecca as[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS] “Guru Ji chose Mecca because it is the holy place for Muslims and every Muslim to connected to Mecca so what better place to preach to Muslims than Mecca. But there was a problem; Mecca is open only to Muslims males. Not even Muslim women can enter Mecca”[/FONT][/COLOR][/B] [COLOR=navy][FONT=Trebuchet MS][B]The same website describes the visit of Guru Nanak to Mecca as under:[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]“Bhai Gurdas Ji (a much respected Sikh), depicts these incidents in one of His books which shows that Guru Ji got into Mecca and preached the truth.[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Donning blue attire then Baba Nanak went to Mecca. He held staff in his hand, pressed a book under his armpit, caught hold of a metal pot and mattress. Now he sat in a mosque where the pilgrims (hajis) had gathered. When Baba (Nanak) slept in the night spreading his legs towards the alcove of mosque at Kaba, the qazi named Jivan kicked him and asked who was this infidel enacting blasphemy. Why this sinner is sleeping his legs spread towards God, Khuda. Catching hold of the legs he lynched (Baba Nanak) and lo and behold the miracle, the whole of Mecca seemed to be revolving. All got surprised and they all bowed. (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Var 1, page 1)[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Qazi and maulvis got together and began discussing religion.[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS] [I]A great fantasy has been created and no one could understand its mystery.[/I] [I]They asked Baba Nanak to open and search in his book whether Hindu is great or the Muslim.[/I] [I]Baba replied to the pilgrim hajis that, without good deeds both will have to weep and wail.[/I] [I]Only by being a Hindu or a Muslim one can not get accepted in the court of the Lord. (Bhai Gurdas Ji, Var 1, page 1)[/I][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]Guru Ji preached the truth and by listening to Him Muslims treated Him as their Pir (Holy Saint). Muslims believed God spoke through Guru Nanak Dev Ji. When he was about to leave, Muslims asked Him to leave something of His behind. So he left his slippers which the priest kept inside Mecca that time. When the priest retired he took it with him back to his home and his family still has this slipper. This is how much respect the Muslims had and have for Guru Nanak Sahib Ji”[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Times New Roman]Now think about these illogical claims that [I]Qazi and maulvis asked Guru Nanak [/I][/FONT][/COLOR][I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Trebuchet MS]if Hindus are great or Muslims ???? very very funny ??? Those Qazis had doubt that Hindus may be better than Muslim ? Why they should ask Guru Nanak as according to the website he pretended as a Muslim to enter Mecca. Therefore, it is totally baseless to say that a Muslim priest or Qazi/Shiekh is not firm and confident about his faith’s truth ??? Everybody knows that those sorts of people are so much concerned and selective that they even not accepting other sects in the Islam itself, how come they think that Hindus may be better than us ????[/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Trebuchet MS]We know that in Mecca we cannot even think of anything like that even any picture etc of any prophet/king/sheikh of any level. How come a priest put slippers of Guru Nanak there ???? It sounds like a very disrespectful fabrication. [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Times New Roman]Another Sikhism website [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca"][COLOR=#800080]www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca[/COLOR][/URL] said while Guru Nanak was in Mecca [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Times New Roman]“[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Times New Roman]One of them (Hajjis) said to the Guru, ‘Holy Sir, give me something which will always remind me of you.’ The Guru gave him his pair of sandals. They were respectfully kept in the Kaaba for some time. That Muslim fakir then returned to India. He brought the sandals with him. He kept them in his temple at [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Gurdwara_Thara_Sahib_(Uch)"][COLOR=red]Uch in Bahawalpur[/COLOR][/URL], now in Pakistan”[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Times New Roman] The point is could a Muslim fakir can put shoes of anybody in inside Kaaba for blessing? If yes how could he be free to take home and put in his [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Times New Roman][B]temple[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Times New Roman] (not mosque/mizar/tomb)?[/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Trebuchet MS]The Muslims don’t believe that Allah lives in Mecca’s black stone or in the Middle-East etc but fact is, his manifestation is everywhere and He [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Tahoma]encompasses all things. In other words ”[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Tahoma][B]Allah existed eternally & there weren’t any places created & after He created all the places, He is now as He was without a place”[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Times New Roman]The website[/FONT][/COLOR][I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Trebuchet MS]www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Guru_Nanak_in_Mecca claimed that [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]“Guru Nanak went to Mecca in blue attire worn by Hajjis”[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Trebuchet MS] and [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=red][FONT=Trebuchet MS]“[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=red][FONT=Times New Roman]he looked like a typical hajji. All along, he acted in every way as hajjis did. Bhai Mardana, a Muslim, was with him he also dressed as a hajji”[/FONT][/COLOR][I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Trebuchet MS]but[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][I][COLOR=#0070c0][FONT=Trebuchet MS] the picture shows Guru Nanak, Bala (Hindu companion) and Mradana (Muslim companion) all having turbines too but, as a matter of fact Hajjis only wear Ihraam (2 white sheets) and cannot have turban etc while performing Umrah/Hajj inside the Kaaba area. [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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