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Is violence the primordial Indian nature?

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    source: Is violence the primordial Indian nature? - upiasia.com


    Is violence the primordial Indian nature?

    By Bijo Francis

    Published: June 08, 2009


    Hong Kong, China :— A man was chopped to death in broad daylight in full public view on Monday last week in Thiruvanandapuram, the capital city of India’s Kerala state. The victim, Binish – a suspect in more than a dozen criminal cases – was murdered by a member of a rival gang, who stayed at the scene for about an hour after the incident and then left. The incident happened barely 50 meters from the state police headquarters.

    A few days later the governor of Kerala, R. S. Gavai, gave permission for the Central Bureau of Investigation to prosecute the state secretary of the Communist Party of India (Marxist), Pinarayi Vijayan, for corruption. The bureau accuses Vijayan of illegally profiting from a government deal with a private contracting company, SNC-Lavalin, in 1998 while Vijayan was a minister.

    Within hours the CPI(M) organized a protest march against the governor's decision and burned his effigy in front of his house. The governor even received death threats. On Monday the CPI(M) called for a protest throughout the state.

    In some areas, especially Vijayan’s home district of Kannur, vehicles stayed off the roads while government and public offices remained closed due to the inability of officers to travel. Even hospitals had to function with minimum support for the day. Instances of violence were reported around the state where the CPI(M) cadres destroyed public and private property.

    So what is the connection between the murder in the state capital and the permission to prosecute the CPI(M) state secretary?

    In India, political parties sponsor mafia gangs and violence. The state of Kerala is no exception, although the number of such instances is relatively low in the state. Violence is part of India's political culture as well as its social fabric.

    Many would dispute this argument. Yet when a Sikh preacher was killed in Austria two weeks ago, Sikhs in the Indian state of Punjab resorted to violence in their homeland. The entire incident is an irony. Sikhism is a religion that officially denounces caste-based discrimination, which is yet another form of violence that runs through every Indian’s veins.

    Followers of Sikhism have resorted to violence in the past. The attack on two visiting preachers in Vienna, one of whom belonged to the Dera Sach Khand sect, was allegedly by members of a rival sect. When the news reached Punjab, followers of the Dera Sach Khand sect in the state, despised by the so-called upper-class Sikhs, resorted to violence.

    Thousands of Dalits, or “untouchables,” in Punjab burned and destroyed public and private property on May 25. A curfew had to be imposed to contain the violence.

    It is a cruel twist of Indian society that Dalits, a community of millions that have faced the worst forms of violence, ranging from being labeled untouchables to denial of the right to exist, resorted to violence to vent their feelings.

    When Indians protested in Australia against racial attacks on Indian students, their friends in India organized rallies and shouted at the Indian government to invade Australia.

    The Mumbai terror attacks last November were just one more excuse for some so-called Indian intellectuals and policy analysts to call for an Indo-Pakistan war. According to these people, it was an opportunity dropped from heaven to test nuclear weapons and also to annihilate “terrorist neighbors” on their soil and solve the “world's problem” forever.

    So behave the descendents of a generation that was able to gain independence from the British through a civil disobedience movement. But within hours of realizing that the “external” threat of higher severity was set to go, Indians brought out their inherent affinity for violence by killing each other, in the name of two religions, in the Hindu-Muslim clashes that followed.

    Some interpret the philosophical basis of the country's largest religion, Hinduism, to revolve around violence. The Bhagavad Gita, literally translated as “Song of God,” one of the cornerstones of this religion, tells of the justification offered to a warrior by his counsel for the use of violence. The warrior is told to fight the rival factions, who are brothers, as it is justified as "dharma" or duty.

    The overarching effect of this religion and its philosophy upon the people of the country is as a catalyst to the primordial Indian nature to resort to violence to settle disputes and disagreements. Many religious groups in the country, whether Muslims, Christians or Parsees, have at times resorted to violence to vent their feelings and views, particularly disagreements.

    Mainstream politics in India are merely harvesting the natural crop that violence breeds. All major political parties in India resort to violence. Dissent and discord is silenced with violence and the use of force. Violence is used not only in the literal sense, but also in all its temporal manifestations.

    In this milieu politics, state practice and the very concept of democracy itself have become the celebration of violence. Those who disagree with this argument could easily find worse examples in other countries like Sri Lanka, Burma or China. But this is only like comparing relative bargains in a cheap market.

    -- (Bijo Francis is a human rights lawyer currently working with the Asian Legal Resource Center in Hong Kong. He is responsible for the South Asia desk at the center. Francis has practiced law for more than a decade and holds an advanced master's degree in human rights law.)

     
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    Which Stupid Anti Indian has written this Article?

    He should also look at other countries and their records of voilence.

    Here is the list of mass murderers of world

    Stalin - Russia

    Hitler germany

    Mao China

    And many more But India still have to produce a big mass murderer.

    Voilence is part of Human nature and if someone compares Indians with Other people of world
    Indians were/are less voilent.
     
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    kds ji

    Here is the byline for the article. The author is

    -- (Bijo Francis is a human rights lawyer currently working with the Asian Legal Resource Center in Hong Kong. He is responsible for the South Asia desk at the center. Francis has practiced law for more than a decade and holds an advanced master's degree in human rights law.)

    I don't know either. With his area of expertise in South Asia, he should also think about Burma, Tibet, Cambodia -- if he is thinking about human rights abuses. Sure this has been a current theme in India's history. But anger and violence are part of the primoridal past of human beings everywhere -- otherwise we would not be spending so much time talking about how "the other guy" needs to learn to rise above it.
     
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    The GANG WARS..of the MAFIOSI in New York..Chicago..etc etc of the 1920-40's are the SAME thing...SEE how the Mafiosi Bosses gunned down by the DOZEN..in Restaurants etc...plain view of the public and police too...hasnt anyone seen Godfather the Movie ??
    Violence is everywhere...not a "monopoly" of anyone race or country...Each HUMAN..has to rise above Violence in his own way...looking at others is NOT the way out of this mess...
     
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    You are right about this. And I myself grew up and lived among these mafiosi. They represent -- in my own limited experience -- Ego run amuck, and with ego on the rampage all the others - anger, lust, greed, you name it -- stick like flies. It is the human condition. India is not to be singled out, and India gave us the major teachers -- Nanak, Buddha, and many others.
     
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    Gyanni jee,
    Something has to be done in educating these so called lawyers for human rights. They have once again raised the Viena incident and had made it a Sikh problem. In India, hardly any Sikh or Sikh organisation was involllllved in post Viena scenerio. but again again they are fixing it as sikh problem only. Why................??????????????
     
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    Guru Piayario Jios,
    Hardip Singh Ji,

    I share your anguish...but we can only do so much...
    we are a TINY minority..and we have powerful enemies..both within and without.
    But dont give up....just bring up the image of Guru Gobind Singh Ji..looking out of Chamkaur...40 with him..and a million outside...or Zorawar Singh and fateh Singh standing tall in the walls of sirhind..not at all cowed down by the high and might Governor of Sirhind..and his cohorts...
    SPN is a small voice in this wilderness..so are many others..we all struggle to tell the TRUTH..our SIDE..
    1. Gurdwara Stockton USA sent USD 125,000 ( in THOSE DAYS !!) to begin the HINDUSTAN TIMES...Goluck Money...from a Sikh Sangat...but the Paper when successful fell into Madan mohanlal maliwyahs hands..to Birla......and today is anti-sikh...
    2. The Tribune Chnadigarh was a SIKH Owned...that SIKH was swayed by the ARYA SAMAJISTS..and today the Tribune is anti-sikh in and out...
    3. HOW the Ani-Sikh forces WITHIN us now try and kill the Rozana Spokesman...simply becasue it sepaks the voice of GURU NANAK JI...Sach sunaisee sach ki bela...SPEAK the TRUTH when its TIME..or forever LOSE the RIGHT..as we did in Hindustan Times and Tribune...The Enemies within tried to bankrupt Rozana Spokemsan..tried every trick..but have failed so far...its RIVAL..is so ANTI-SIKH that it carries news and editorials on every saadh and sant and pir, guru, fakes, every ANTI-SIKH maryada act is glorified and sikhi is suppressed...yet it enjoys badal govt patronage...so as to silence the TRUTH.

    These so called lawyers and all have strings being pulled elsewhere...dont you see the connection...something was arranged in Vienna....people in INDIA were so stupid..many thought it was happening in AUSTRALIA....no sooner said than..TROUBLES began in Australia ?? Fluke shot ?? imho..NO..the idea just struck the pupeteers...OH so many think this happend in Australia..why NOT ?? Australia is another ball game..start another forest FIRE..more the better...right now its Indians..soon it will focus on PUNJABIS..and then SIKHS...and sure enough Morchas..riots..street marches..are already ****ing off the Australians...and who will get the BRUNT..SIKHS because they are so visible...

    2. No one really wnats the truth. The Austrian POLICE RELEASED the alleged perperator caught..WHY ?? because he is NOT GUILTY...the DEAD are SILENT...who killed who..nobody knows for sure...BUT the PRESS had a field day..SIKHS SIKHS SIKHS...
    3. EVEN the Ravidassee Gurdwars had BANNEd thsi sant fellow...simply becasue ALL Ravidassee Gurdwaras follow SRM and SGGS as GURU...only their "membership" is Ravidassee..whereas thsi Sant of Dera is a FAKE sant who wants his own book as guru beside himself....so the ENTIRE STORY is a TALLL TALE false all the way...meant to INCITE HATRED for vested interests...

    Lets continue to tell the TRUTH...
     
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