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  1. Neutral Singh

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    Seattle Doctor Specializes In Near-Death Experiences

    POSTED: 9:01 am EDT April 30, 2004
    UPDATED: 6:14 pm EDT May 4, 2004

    The NBC 10 Investigators tracked down a doctor in Seattle whose research may
    come closer to anyone else to answering the question, is there life after
    death?

    Dr. Melvin Morse is a pediatrician who used to think that people who were
    interested in near-death experiences just wanted to be on television talk
    shows.

    But something happened to one of his patients that changed his opinion. Now
    he believes the evidence points to something after life.

    Most scientists will explain that near-death experiences are caused by the
    lack of oxygen in the brain in the last moments of life.

    But Dr. Morse believes he's found evidence that it is a glimpse of something
    beyond our existence.

    "I interviewed a 6-year-old boy," said Dr. Morse. "We resuscitated him. He
    opened his eyes and he dramatically said, 'That was weird, two guys just
    sucked me back into my body.'"

    Dr. Morse is a respected pediatrician. He was a skeptic about the issue of
    life after death until he was confronted with a story he couldn't explain
    away.

    "She was what you would call clinically dead," explained Morse. "She was
    under water for 19 minutes."

    After the 7-year-old girl was resuscitated, she started drawing pictures.

    "What she described to me was not a hallucination. It was a blow-by-blow
    accurate description of her own resuscitation, but from a bird's eye point
    of view," said Dr. Morse.

    The child believed she had to go back to her body to help her mother with
    her unborn brother. She drew her unborn brother with a big red heart.
    Several months later her brother was born with heart disease.

    "How can dying, comatose patients perceive anything? That's what fascinated
    me," said Dr. Morse. "I knew that something important about human
    consciousness was to be learned."

    Dr. Morse has recorded dozens of interviews with children who have
    experienced near death. He says he finds the experiences with children to be
    the most pure.

    Dr. Morse says he doesn't believe in God himself and he has little interest
    in the experiences many adults often have reflecting their own religious
    beliefs and cultures.

    Critics say it is because Christians tend to see Jesus and Indians see Hindu
    gods, the near-death experience doesn't seem scientifically credible.

    Social worker Kimberly Clark Sharp says she couldn't come to terms with her
    own out of body, near-death experience until one of her own patients had
    one.

    Sharp's patient went into cardiac arrest. After she was resuscitated, the
    patient insisted she had risen out of her body and floated up around the
    hospital where she saw a blue tennis shoe on the third floor ledge.

    To calm down her patient Sharp went to look. "I did find a blue tennis shoe
    on the ledge," said Sharp. "She got everything right as she described it to
    me."

    "It's clear even when people are flat lining in the last moments of life,
    something profound is happening," said Dr. Morse. "It is something today's
    monitors can't pick up."

    Dr. Morse's findings have been published in medical journals and he's
    working to see if something physically changes in the right temporal lobe of
    the brain when someone has a post-death experience.

    "One child told me it was a light who told her who she was and where she was
    to go," said Dr. Morse. "I want to interact with that light that tells us
    who we are and where we are to go while we're still alive. That to me is a
    challenge of the near-death experience."

    Dr. Morse believes you can get in touch with that part of the brain through
    prayer, meditation, even the rhythmic movement of knitting. There's no
    absolute proof, but he believes that people who have that near death
    experience are stepping into another realm.
     
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    I personally believe in life after death. There is an author by the name of Raymond Moody who is famous for his extensive research on NDEs (Near Death Experiences)

    I've also heard of people who have been visited by relatives who have died. Usually in dreams, but sometimes while being awake as well. I think the entire study on life after death is very interesting. :) Albert Einstein believed that when the body dies, where does the energy go? Before I knew of Einsteins theory, I asked the same question. I said to myself, "If everything is made of a certain frequency of energy and when we are alive, we are full of energy, what happens when we die? It's not like we blow up and the burst of energy is released..."
     
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    The science of soul travel is something that has
    intrigued seekers of the spiritual path since the
    beginning of time. Soul travel is something that
    every person on planet earth does every night
    when they sleep. The different bodies travel to
    their prospective planes of consciousness. Soul
    travel is where you separate from your physical
    body and travel to the higher dimensions of
    God’s universe.
    Guru Nanak and Soul Travel
    One of the greatest soul travellers of all time
    was Guru Nanak Dev Ji. He was so powerful
    that he could take people in their physical body
    to other realms. When Guru Nanak was in Iraq,
    he took the son of the head priest of Iraq to
    other worlds and brought back parshad. This is
    recorded in Bhai Gurdas Vaars:
    "Here in Baghdad he has shown a great miracle.
    Meanwhile he (Baba Nanak) talked about
    myriads of netherworlds and skies. Pir Dastegir
    asked (the Baba) to show him whatever he had
    seen. Guru Nanak Dev taking along with him
    the son of the pir, melted into thin air. And in a
    wink of eye visualized him the upper and lower
    worlds. From the nether world he brought a
    bowl full of sacred food and handed it over to
    pir. This manifest power (of the Guru) cannot
    be made to hide." (Vaar 1 Pauri 36)

    Why Soul Travel?
    Soul travel allows us to have a direct experience
    of God. It gives one an absolute knowingness
    that we are not our physical bodies by allowing
    us to shed your other bodies (physical, etheric,
    astral, mental) and travel to the highest planes
    of God.


    The Mechanics of Soul Travel
    When we travel in our soul body, we travel with
    the power of our minds. If we want to go to
    Saturn all we have to do is think Saturn and we
    are instantly there. There is no time or space
    once we leave our body. Eenergy follows
    thought, and it is our thoughts which create our
    feelings, emotions, actions and what we attract
    into our lives.
    This is why Gurbani stresses the importance of
    keeping God in mind at all times as this is our
    ultimate destination. Also Guru Nanak Dev Ji
    gave the Sat Naam mantra to humanity which is
    the mantra that governs the soul plane.

    Usefulness of Worldly Soul Travel
    There is a beautiful story from the life of Guru
    Nanak to highlight the value of worldly soul
    travel versus spiritual soul travel. Guru Nanak
    met a powerful Yogi who had spent 20 years of
    meditation to learn how to teleport his physical
    body to an island near a coast.
    Guru Nanak then jumped in a boat at the coast
    line and paid a boatman a couple of rupees to
    reach the island and on reaching the Island
    Guru Nanak said, “2 rupees is the value of your
    20 years of meditation”!
    So keep in mind that soul travel is to be used
    for God realisation only. Everything else is just
    another form of Maya (wordly attachment)

    Also read this :
    http://www.projectnaad.com/wp-content/uploads/leaflets/scientific_evidence_for_reincarnation.pdf
     
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    What I have realised now makes what I have known Chicken feed
     
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    i will tell you all when i am back :)
     
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    Cool answer - analytic philosopher Amarsanghera ji!
     
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    Ek_musafir ji,

    Thank you for your views.
    I have always put a logic about nature of ourselves in the following fashion, I don't know how many of us will agree with me, but here goes:

    When we die, we (soul) remain in the omnipresence which is here and now. But the physical world which is impermanent and subject to change and travel, leaves us (soul).

    So when we die, it is the world which leaves us and not we leave the world.
    Only that leaves and goes away - which is temporal in nature.

    Comments please.
     
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    Dera Begum ji


    If its truly your own personal conclusion which means that you reached this conclusion based on your understanding and experiences ( without using others experiences)

    Than I would say its great achievement!! and great realisation , Hats off for you !

    Keep it up

    Jatinder SIngh
     
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    Dear Musafir ji

    Plz Explain what takes Birth?!

    what happens to mind?( you indicated that it keep the soul prisoned in your post)


    I think it will be interesting disscusion ! so Just starting with some questiopn more will follow as you explain futher

    Thanks

    Jatinder Singh
     
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    Soul never dies. It changes its place after physical death of the body. Soul takes a new body after death. Hence on plain logic there has to be continuity of life.
    Death does not affect the phenomennon of Life.
     
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    who is this "I" that dies?

    who is this "I" that remembers and thinks?
     
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    What I know now makes what I have known Chicken feed
     
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    Unfulfilled Desires

    The mind/conscience survives to live again. You need to kill the Mind to release the Soul.
     
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    mar-ta mar-ta jag moo-aa
    mar bin na janeya koye
    aisee marni so marrae
    bahurr na marna hoye

    .....................

    Kabeera, Jab Hum paida huye
    jag hassey hum roye
    aisee karni karr chalo
    hum hassey jag roye

    .....................
     
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    What I know now makes what I have known Chicken feed
     
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    Ekmusafir ji - I don't think mind can ever achieve this state. This is a property of primal state and it is achieved when mind drops and become primal state itself. This primal state is the basis of mind. This mind/mann is a like ice which floats in water(primal state) and when this ice melts going to its original form only the water remains.
    There is no one who achieves this state as in this state there is no individual mind left but only the primal state.
     
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    Quote:
    Plz Explain what takes Birth?!
    Unfulfilled Desires

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    what happens to mind?( you indicated that it keep the soul prisoned in your post)

    The mind/conscience survives to live again. You need to kill the Mind to release the Soul.


    Thanks!

    Now if its the desire sthat take birth than why should the 'I' be concerned with its endless births
    why no let the show run let the 'I' remain totally aloof and unconcerned from what the mun/mind is doing and what the desire want to do
     
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    ekmusafir Ji,

    Those partial verses which I mentioned ?
    I did so because I was inspired by your explanation. Yes, you might want to take it as a response to your post, but it doesn't form an answer, as you posed no question.

    TGill Ji,

    Your "cube of ice" concept is really cool !:cool:

    ~ begum ~
     
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