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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 119711" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Zahim,</p><p></p><p>Guru Fateh.</p><p></p><p>Welcome to the forum and I hope we can have a civil and mature discussion keeping in mind the open- mindedness that all humans irrespective of their hue,creed or faith strive for so that they are able to breed goodness within which can be shared with others.</p><p></p><p>You write about the misconception among the Sikhs about the forceful conversion in Islam.</p><p></p><p>Well, it seems you being a Shia Muslim ( please correct me if I am wrong) has not paid attention to your only holy book, Quran.</p><p></p><p>Here are just some of the verses:</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">Question</span>:</strong> Can Muslims force others to accept Islam?</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">Summary Answer</span>:</strong> Muslims are commanded to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 15px">The Qur'an:</span></strong> <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029" target="_blank">Qur'an (9:29)</a> - "<em>Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." </em> Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down.</p><p> <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005" target="_blank">Qur'an (9:5)</a> <em>"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..." </em> Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as <em>salat</em> and <em>zakat</em>. See below. </p><p> <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.011" target="_blank">Qur'an (9:11)</a> - (Continued from above) "<em>But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your <u>brethren in religion</u>" </em>This confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam.</p><p> <a href="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.193" target="_blank">Qur'an (2:193)</a> - <em>"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." </em>The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah."</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/013-forced-conversion.htm" target="_blank">TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Forced Conversion</a></p><p></p><p>These are just a few. There are many Hadiths that state the same.</p><p></p><p>The beauty of Sikhi is that it wants all religions to flourish and want people to find spirituality within with the path they have chosen. </p><p></p><p>All of us as humans are interconnected by THE ONE but unfortunately, religions create the gulfs which are hard or sometimes impossible to bridge because of the insecurities of the religion itself due to its own dogmas and also the false claims of exclusivity and direct connection to " God", " Allah" which is more like a snake oil rub than anything else. </p><p></p><p>It is playing with the emotions of the weakest of the lot rather than empowering them which is sad and tragic.</p><p></p><p>I have no idea whether you are aware that the foundation stone at Harmander Sahib was laid by a Muslim and SGGS, our only Guru has many hymns from your fellow men.</p><p></p><p>So, let's try to find connection as humans with each other, otherwise it becomes the tug of war of egos which the religions tell us to give up.</p><p></p><p>Regards</p><p></p><p>Tejwant Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 119711, member: 138"] Zahim, Guru Fateh. Welcome to the forum and I hope we can have a civil and mature discussion keeping in mind the open- mindedness that all humans irrespective of their hue,creed or faith strive for so that they are able to breed goodness within which can be shared with others. You write about the misconception among the Sikhs about the forceful conversion in Islam. Well, it seems you being a Shia Muslim ( please correct me if I am wrong) has not paid attention to your only holy book, Quran. Here are just some of the verses: [B][SIZE=4]Question[/SIZE]:[/B] Can Muslims force others to accept Islam? [B][SIZE=4] Summary Answer[/SIZE]:[/B] Muslims are commanded to fight unbelievers until they are either dead, converted to Islam, or in a permanent state of subjugation under Muslim domination. Allowing people of other faiths to live and worship independently of Islamic rule is not an option. [B][SIZE=4] The Qur'an:[/SIZE][/B] [URL="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.029"]Qur'an (9:29)[/URL] - "[I]Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." [/I] Suras 9 and 5 are the last "revelations" that Muhammad handed down. [URL="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.005"]Qur'an (9:5)[/URL] [I]"But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them..." [/I] Prayer and charity are among the Five Pillars of Islam, as [I]salat[/I] and [I]zakat[/I]. See below. [URL="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/009.qmt.html#009.011"]Qur'an (9:11)[/URL] - (Continued from above) "[I]But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then are they your [U]brethren in religion[/U]" [/I]This confirms that Muhammad is speaking of conversion to Islam. [URL="http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/002.qmt.html#002.193"]Qur'an (2:193)[/URL] - [I]"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion be only for Allah. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrong-doers." [/I]The key phrase is to fight until "religion be only for Allah." [URL="http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/013-forced-conversion.htm"]TheReligionofPeace - Islam: Forced Conversion[/URL] These are just a few. There are many Hadiths that state the same. The beauty of Sikhi is that it wants all religions to flourish and want people to find spirituality within with the path they have chosen. All of us as humans are interconnected by THE ONE but unfortunately, religions create the gulfs which are hard or sometimes impossible to bridge because of the insecurities of the religion itself due to its own dogmas and also the false claims of exclusivity and direct connection to " God", " Allah" which is more like a snake oil rub than anything else. It is playing with the emotions of the weakest of the lot rather than empowering them which is sad and tragic. I have no idea whether you are aware that the foundation stone at Harmander Sahib was laid by a Muslim and SGGS, our only Guru has many hymns from your fellow men. So, let's try to find connection as humans with each other, otherwise it becomes the tug of war of egos which the religions tell us to give up. Regards Tejwant Singh [/QUOTE]
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