I am right behind LionSingh.
Never said I was aginst Muslims, but reading the Koran , I find it nothing to do with peace. As for dodgy scripture, if we were to give any critique, the penalty would be death.
As for the terrorist part and activity...where does it come from.
I have researched islam for years and can tell you. That if you really want to understand islam you need to understand the term Taqiyya Which is lying for islam to make it sound good, to disguise the nasty stuff in islam and lie and deceive non-muslims.
?Does the encylopedia also explain how these numbers grew to these levels - by gentle persuasion alone
Then may I suggest you read it again?
I just took my copy and opened it on different pages at random and did this 5 times and did not come across any lines inciting violence at all. Not even one.
As for where the terrorist part comes from...it's from a minority element latching on to the "dodgy bits" you and I have already agreed exist.
But as I am now saying a third time, I will not condemn the entire religion on the basis of a minority. What does that mean? Well according to Wikipedia:
A comprehensive 2009 demographic study of 232 countries and territories reported that 23% of the global population or 1.57 billion people are Muslims.
Seeker ji
There are over 50 plus muslim countries.Could you please tell us how many og them
1) Are truly secular societies
2)Allow muslims to leave islam
3)Allow Muslim women to marry non muslim men?
4) Allow full freedom to non muslim religions
As far terrorist part is concerned ,.Look at Kashmir , any economist will tell that an average Kashmiri will be much more prosperous with India rather than pakistan ,but what are kashmiri's saying? They are saying that even if India will made roads of gold even then they will not call them self Indians.Why? Because India's is non muslim country,though Kashmiri muslims have no problem calling themselvesNo doubt they are in minority ,but it is the majority that is giving birth to them by sanctioning and voting for islamic parties
Pakistani even if Pakistan don't provide them two square of meals.
In the end I just want to say I don't want to bash Islam but on the other hand I don't even want to defend it by saying that an average muslim is innocent and only tiny minority.
No doubt they are in minority ,but it is the majority that is giving birth to them by sanctioning and voting for islamic parties
In the end I just want to say I don't want to bash Islam but on the other hand I don't even want to defend it by saying that an average muslim is innocent and only tiny minority
I can't answer those questions....can you?
Who voted for Al Qaeida?
Who voted for the Taliban?
So what is your final position then as I am confused by your statement??
Which questions about the muslim countries? If I am not wrong with the exception of Turkey hardly any country allow these
People don't vote directly for terrorist organisations ,but in muslim countries they do prefer
to vote for islamic parties for implementation of islamic laws which indirectly give birth to people which are prone to terrorist activities
I just get surprised to see when i see so many people come up in defence of islam by saying that it is tiny minority that is involved the others have nothing to do with it.
I admitted I don't know the answers. If you think you know the answers please provide some supporting evidenceSeeker ji
There are over 50 plus muslim countries.Could you please tell us how many og them
1) Are truly secular societies
2)Allow muslims to leave islam
3)Allow Muslim women to marry non muslim men?
4) Allow full freedom to non muslim religions
Taliban aside, I can't help thinking that is a sweeping generalisation but if you can give some examples of Islamic laws that have fed radical movements then that would be helpfulislamic laws which indirectly give birth to people which are prone to terrorist activities
Sorry, I still don't understand your position. What is surprising? Do you think the majority of 1.57 billion followers are contemplating making trouble for others in whatever form? A simple Yes or No would be a good start....I just get surprised to see when i see so many people come up in defence of islam by saying that it is tiny minority that is involved the others have nothing to do with it.
So what exactly is your position then?Never said I was aginst Muslims,
So what exactly is your position then?In the end I just want to say I don't want to bash Islam but on the other hand I don't even want to defend it by saying that an average muslim is innocent and only tiny minority
Taliban aside, 1.57 billion is big numbers.....a lot of people....perhaps I am getting soft in my old age but I am inclined to thing the majority of them want to be and are happy to be Muslim...however, I have no way of proving it...but to go to the opposite extreme, I think it is fair to surmise the majority of them would not be jihadist or inclined to terrorism or extremism
Maybe I'm just too much of an optimist??
chang-aa-ee-aa buri-aa-ee-aa vaachai Dharam hadoor.
Good deeds and bad deeds-the record is read out in the Presence of the
Lord of Dharma.
karmee aapo aapnee kay nayrhai kay door.
According to their own actions, some are drawn closer, and some are driven
farther away.
Could you please tell us how many og them
1) Are truly secular societies
2)Allow muslims to leave islam
3)Allow Muslim women to marry non muslim men?
4) Allow full freedom to non muslim religions
admitted I don't know the answers. If you think you know the answers please provide some supporting evidence
Isn't Pakistan example of Radical movements because of moving towards fanatic islamTaliban aside, I can't help thinking that is a sweeping generalisation but if you can give some examples of Islamic laws that have fed radical movements then that would be helpful
Sorry, I still don't understand your position. What is surprising? Do you think the majority of 1.57 billion followers are contemplating making trouble for others in whatever form? A simple Yes or No would be a good start....
Ek OnKaar Sat Naam
Kanwardeep Singh ji wrote:
Kanwardeep ji, I don't know answers to any of your questions but I know Sikh Rehat does seek to restrict marriage of daughters of Sikhs:
b. A Sikh's daughter must be married to a Sikh. (Article XVIII, b)
Sat Sri Akal
I have already answered the question may be there are 2-3 other small countries and if you need evidence just google it you can read religious laws of many muslim countries
Isn't Pakistan example of Radical movements because of moving towards fanatic islam
Pakistan was place of Guru's ,sufi's and what type of place it is now.Pakistan's founder wanted it to become secular but future leader started implementing islamic laws harshly and result is in front of us.
My answer is Yes.By demanding implementation of sharia laws or not accepting birth control policies they do create problem.Just look at India muslims are officially 14% but unofficial figure state that they are between 15-20%.Do you think India will remain the same when their population reaches 30 or even 40% ,the answer is no