Dear All, I had opened a topic "Sabh sikhan ko hukam hai guru maneo granth" under the intention of the origins and written evidence of this dohra from Guru Gobind Singh's hand. I knew before hand that there is no such dohra written by Guru Sahib hand. In fact I was just seeing how the topic would go. The tradition is the Guru Sahib said this (or something similiar) and then it found its way to being written down. But if we ask for written evidence, in the same vein that harkiran Ji said she needed something concrete, beyond doubt, to say that Charitropakhyan was Guru's own words, then nobody will be able to produce evidence. So what if other Sikhs started to say (as Harkiran did) that if that is the case then they are giving up Sikhism? What would we think then? You see, my main intention was to fathom how people, under the garb of intellectualism and learning, will maintain any academic integrity when the subject matter is one they don't doubt. I have no doubt that SGGS is the Guru after the 10 jamas. But I wanted test the reaction of applying the same rationale or methodolgy for rejecting DG to SGGS, to see whether the members on this forum would be able to, firstly see that their same scrutiny is being applied, and also whether their rationale or methodogy is fair. Seeing as how the topic went, it does rather display the objective that I set out to test. The same rules when aplied to SGGS, as applied to DG, resulted in sensationalism and accusations. It is intellect fraud to do this. We need to be more honest and work with more integrity when discussing things, and not resort to hooliganism. For those who have looked into both granths, and studied them carefully will notice that if you make one realisation about one then it will apply to the other. It astounds me that the Admins will take sides with a members hooliganism and accusations of "publicly demeaning SGGS" but remain mute when someone refers to DG as "a porn book". Remember how important "honesty" is in life.