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Gurmat Vichaar
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Her Mother Should Have Been Sterile?
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<blockquote data-quote="japjisahib04" data-source="post: 191490" data-attributes="member: 971"><p>ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਬਸਿਓ ਤਿਨ ਮਾਤ ਕੀਜੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਂਝਾ ॥ </p><p>Jin har hirḏai nām na basi▫o ṯin māṯ kījai har bāʼnjẖā.</p><p>The Lord's Name does not abide within their hearts - their mothers should have been sterile.</p><p>ਤਿਨ ਸੁੰਞੀ ਦੇਹ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਓਇ ਖਪਿ ਖਪਿ ਮੁਏ ਕਰਾਂਝਾ ॥੧॥</p><p>Ŧin suñī ḏeh firėh bin nāvai o▫e kẖap kẖap mu▫e karāʼnjẖā. ||1||</p><p>These bodies wander around, forlorn and abandoned, without the Name; their lives waste away, and they die, crying out in pain. ||1|| SGGS 697</p><p></p><p>I would like to share my understanding of above pankti and would like to hear comments from our learned members.</p><p></p><p>As per my understanding 'matt' or maat' through out gurbani stands for intellect but has been generally interpreted as mother. From above literal interpretation, first thing comes to my mind is that this pankti does not relate to those ladies who are not married, widows and or male gender etc. second what is the use of sterlizing a seventy, eighty years old lady who cannot bilogically bear child anymore and whose son/daughter is already reached fifty years. Third, why should the lady be punished for the sin which is not committed by her once the child is matured. Third, Gurbani clearly says, 'aapai beej aapai hi khaey' then how can mother be punished, so it contradicts the basic understanding of gurbani.</p><p></p><p>Even Bhagat kabir pankti, 'ਜਿਹ ਕੁਲਿ ਪੂਤੁ ਨ ਗਿਆਨ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥ ਬਿਧਵਾ ਕਸ ਨ ਭਈ ਮਹਤਾਰੀ ॥੧॥That family, whose son has no spiritual wisdom or contemplation. why didn't his mother just become a widow? ||1||. In this pankti preference is given only to son. We accept this interpretation but have we ever enquired ourselves whether 'Oh kadhai n bolai kaudha ' will be ever issued taliban type farman and give curse. </p><p></p><p>You will appreciate that Gurbani does not promote gender discrimination but to support gender discrimination normally our kathakar relates it, 'janani janeh ta bhagat jan kai data kai sur nahi ta janani bajh rahai kahai gavai noor- of poet tulsidas that lady should give birth only to saints or otherwise let her remain barren.(this pankti is not from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji).</p><p></p><p>I would love to hear comments from learned members.</p><p></p><p>best regards</p><p>sahni</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="japjisahib04, post: 191490, member: 971"] ਜਿਨ ਹਰਿ ਹਿਰਦੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਬਸਿਓ ਤਿਨ ਮਾਤ ਕੀਜੈ ਹਰਿ ਬਾਂਝਾ ॥ Jin har hirḏai nām na basi▫o ṯin māṯ kījai har bāʼnjẖā. The Lord's Name does not abide within their hearts - their mothers should have been sterile. ਤਿਨ ਸੁੰਞੀ ਦੇਹ ਫਿਰਹਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਵੈ ਓਇ ਖਪਿ ਖਪਿ ਮੁਏ ਕਰਾਂਝਾ ॥੧॥ Ŧin suñī ḏeh firėh bin nāvai o▫e kẖap kẖap mu▫e karāʼnjẖā. ||1|| These bodies wander around, forlorn and abandoned, without the Name; their lives waste away, and they die, crying out in pain. ||1|| SGGS 697 I would like to share my understanding of above pankti and would like to hear comments from our learned members. As per my understanding 'matt' or maat' through out gurbani stands for intellect but has been generally interpreted as mother. From above literal interpretation, first thing comes to my mind is that this pankti does not relate to those ladies who are not married, widows and or male gender etc. second what is the use of sterlizing a seventy, eighty years old lady who cannot bilogically bear child anymore and whose son/daughter is already reached fifty years. Third, why should the lady be punished for the sin which is not committed by her once the child is matured. Third, Gurbani clearly says, 'aapai beej aapai hi khaey' then how can mother be punished, so it contradicts the basic understanding of gurbani. Even Bhagat kabir pankti, 'ਜਿਹ ਕੁਲਿ ਪੂਤੁ ਨ ਗਿਆਨ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥ ਬਿਧਵਾ ਕਸ ਨ ਭਈ ਮਹਤਾਰੀ ॥੧॥That family, whose son has no spiritual wisdom or contemplation. why didn't his mother just become a widow? ||1||. In this pankti preference is given only to son. We accept this interpretation but have we ever enquired ourselves whether 'Oh kadhai n bolai kaudha ' will be ever issued taliban type farman and give curse. You will appreciate that Gurbani does not promote gender discrimination but to support gender discrimination normally our kathakar relates it, 'janani janeh ta bhagat jan kai data kai sur nahi ta janani bajh rahai kahai gavai noor- of poet tulsidas that lady should give birth only to saints or otherwise let her remain barren.(this pankti is not from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji). I would love to hear comments from learned members. best regards sahni [/QUOTE]
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