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Head Of British Sikh Association Attacks Kirpan
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<blockquote data-quote="SukhmeetSingh Guruwada" data-source="post: 172989" data-attributes="member: 18421"><p>In the original article we stated that Rami Ranger asked for the Kirpan to be dropped as a Kakkar. </p><p>In our correspondences with Mr. Ranger he has clarified that he believes that the Kirpan should not be more than 3 inches (to our understanding be believes this limitation should apply in all situations) and should be dull.</p><p>Thus, Mr. Ranger wants to see the Kirpan relegated to the status of a useless symbol. </p><p>Mr. Ranger states (as seen below) that “It is also a fact that many terrorists resemble us in their appearance, so why give a chance to anyone who may easily mistake us as one of them.”</p><p></p><p></p><p>Following is the text of the correspondence from Rami Ranger to the SGPC.</p><p></p><p>From: Rami Ranger <a href="mailto:rami@ramiranger.com">rami@ramiranger.com</a></p><p></p><p>To: <a href="mailto:sgpc@vsnl.com">sgpc@vsnl.com</a></p><p>Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012, 12:39</p><p>Subject: RE: Kirpan and safety of Sikhs.</p><p></p><p>To, The President of the SGPC,</p><p></p><p>Dear Khalsa Ji,</p><p></p><p>Gur Fateh.</p><p></p><p>In view of the changing world where terrorism has become an integral part of everyday life, we ought to take a fresh look at our religious symbol, the Kirpan.</p><p></p><p>In any case, it is now considered to be just a symbol rather than a necessary weapon for our protection as it once was.</p><p></p><p>In any case, we are no longer fighting the Mughals.</p><p></p><p>The next wars will be fought with the help of science and technology.</p><p></p><p>We can see in some part of the world how drone attacks are not providing protection to those who once considered themselves to be invincible.</p><p></p><p>Besides, we now live in a civilised world where there is police and the rule of law to protect our liberties along with everyone else in society.</p><p></p><p>Regrettably, the Kirpan can no longer provide us defence if the other person is carrying a gun.</p><p></p><p>In some cases, the culprit will even be encouraged to use the gun if he sees a person with a Kirpan.</p><p></p><p>It is also a fact that many terrorists resemble us in their appearance, so why give a chance to anyone who may easily mistake us as one of them.</p><p></p><p>Many of our fellow Sikhs have been the victims of mistaken identity. We cannot sit back and do nothing whilst someone else gets killed.</p><p></p><p>We have a responsibility to do something for their sake as well as for the sake of our fellow Sikhs who could also become victims of a mistaken identity unwittingly with dire consequences for their loved ones.</p><p></p><p>We must also not provide a spectacle at airports and seaports by standing out by wearing Kirpan.</p><p></p><p>It is our duty to make the job of security personnels of securing us and our families easier by not holding them or the rest of the passengers whilst we insist on carrying full size Kirpan.</p><p></p><p>You will agree that it is very difficult to change the world but it is relatively easy to change ourselves to adapt to the changing world.</p><p></p><p>A species which will survive in the future will not be the most intelligent or the strongest, but one who can adapt to change.</p><p></p><p>I believe the time has come for us to adapt to survive by carrying only a 3 inch ceremonial Kirpan as a mark of respect to our Gurus who liberated us after paying supreme sacrifices.</p><p></p><p>Our Gurus will understand the situation. Besides, they always advocated that we must live by our actions and deeds rather than rituals.</p><p></p><p>Please provide leadership so that we remain a prosperous and progressive community in line with the vision of our Gurus for the entire mankind.</p><p></p><p>The Sikhs must move with the times rather than trying to remain the monuments of our past.</p><p></p><p>Please do forgive me if my views do not make sense.</p><p></p><p>I mean well for our community. I thank you for your understanding.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Is It Correct.........????</p><p>What You Would Like To Answer Mr. Ranger</p><p></p><p>(Source- Sikhnet)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="SukhmeetSingh Guruwada, post: 172989, member: 18421"] In the original article we stated that Rami Ranger asked for the Kirpan to be dropped as a Kakkar. In our correspondences with Mr. Ranger he has clarified that he believes that the Kirpan should not be more than 3 inches (to our understanding be believes this limitation should apply in all situations) and should be dull. Thus, Mr. Ranger wants to see the Kirpan relegated to the status of a useless symbol. Mr. Ranger states (as seen below) that “It is also a fact that many terrorists resemble us in their appearance, so why give a chance to anyone who may easily mistake us as one of them.” Following is the text of the correspondence from Rami Ranger to the SGPC. From: Rami Ranger [EMAIL="rami@ramiranger.com"]rami@ramiranger.com[/EMAIL] To: [EMAIL="sgpc@vsnl.com"]sgpc@vsnl.com[/EMAIL] Sent: Monday, 27 August 2012, 12:39 Subject: RE: Kirpan and safety of Sikhs. To, The President of the SGPC, Dear Khalsa Ji, Gur Fateh. In view of the changing world where terrorism has become an integral part of everyday life, we ought to take a fresh look at our religious symbol, the Kirpan. In any case, it is now considered to be just a symbol rather than a necessary weapon for our protection as it once was. In any case, we are no longer fighting the Mughals. The next wars will be fought with the help of science and technology. We can see in some part of the world how drone attacks are not providing protection to those who once considered themselves to be invincible. Besides, we now live in a civilised world where there is police and the rule of law to protect our liberties along with everyone else in society. Regrettably, the Kirpan can no longer provide us defence if the other person is carrying a gun. In some cases, the culprit will even be encouraged to use the gun if he sees a person with a Kirpan. It is also a fact that many terrorists resemble us in their appearance, so why give a chance to anyone who may easily mistake us as one of them. Many of our fellow Sikhs have been the victims of mistaken identity. We cannot sit back and do nothing whilst someone else gets killed. We have a responsibility to do something for their sake as well as for the sake of our fellow Sikhs who could also become victims of a mistaken identity unwittingly with dire consequences for their loved ones. We must also not provide a spectacle at airports and seaports by standing out by wearing Kirpan. It is our duty to make the job of security personnels of securing us and our families easier by not holding them or the rest of the passengers whilst we insist on carrying full size Kirpan. You will agree that it is very difficult to change the world but it is relatively easy to change ourselves to adapt to the changing world. A species which will survive in the future will not be the most intelligent or the strongest, but one who can adapt to change. I believe the time has come for us to adapt to survive by carrying only a 3 inch ceremonial Kirpan as a mark of respect to our Gurus who liberated us after paying supreme sacrifices. Our Gurus will understand the situation. Besides, they always advocated that we must live by our actions and deeds rather than rituals. Please provide leadership so that we remain a prosperous and progressive community in line with the vision of our Gurus for the entire mankind. The Sikhs must move with the times rather than trying to remain the monuments of our past. Please do forgive me if my views do not make sense. I mean well for our community. I thank you for your understanding. Is It Correct.........???? What You Would Like To Answer Mr. Ranger (Source- Sikhnet) [/QUOTE]
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