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<blockquote data-quote="arshi" data-source="post: 123465" data-attributes="member: 9479"><p><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: #001f4b; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Aman Singh ji<?"urn:<img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/ /></SPAN></P><P style=" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gurfateh</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">First of all let me apologise for putting you through so much trouble and as Gyani ji pointed out moderating is like walking on a two-edged sword. I also applaud your remarks that no one (including a moderator is above the guidelines). I applaud you for that.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Please refer to my post to Tejwant ji where I clearly said that although I had prepared longer responses I <strong>decided to not to post these in the interests of not hurting feelings. Hurting feelings and causing discomfort was never my objective. So I have tried. I reproduce a part of the note:</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Further, Aman Singh ji I did not put words in your mouth. Please do read again what I wrote and I quote: “Such unkind remarks were <strong>quite rightly picked up</strong> <strong>by Aman Singh ji asking for an explanation from the author</strong>.” I used the ‘condemn’ word for other readers and do <strong>admit the word was rather strong and the expression I meant to use was ‘question’ and the sentence <u>should </u>have read</strong></span></span><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">“Such unkind remarks were quite rightly picked up by Aman Singh ji asking for an explanation from the author. It is disappointing to note that many, <strong>including yourself</strong>, did not </span></span><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">question</span></span><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> such outburst <strong>until after Aman Singh ji’s post</strong>.” But because of time constraints and the technical problems I was having in posting, an inappropriate word slipped, for which I apologise.</span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #001f4b"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="color: #001f4b"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I had no hidden motive or intention to cause trouble and your comments are fair and totally above reproach. Thanks.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">However, please note that there were references to East Africans and Ramgarhias which were not, in my opinion, quite complimentary. Randip Singh calls GNNSJ <strong>“this pseudo-ramgharia/namdhari Sikh cult.”</strong> I overlooked these again in the interests of not prolonging the arguments and withheld my rarher long response. Please do give some credit for the restraint I have shown.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I hope you will allow me to clear a few things up and also introduce some history. <strong>This is not a criticism of anyone but only an effort to clear up a few facts</strong> – i.e. it is only informative and meant to educate and not to argue or offend.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">When Baba Puran Singh ji first came to <?xml::<img src="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/ /><st1:country-region w:st=" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></st1:country-region><st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />lace w:st="on">UK he felt that most Gurdwaras did not follow proper maryada and that those in authority were not always practicing Sikhs. Gradually a nucleus grew around him and the sangat purchased a small building in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />lace w:st="on">Birmingham. Anyone involved was required to serve without any financial rewards including Ragis and parcharaks – absolute Nishkam Sewa was the motto. With time the organization gathered momentum. </span></p><p></p><p><strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gyani Amolak Singh</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> (now deceased) a scholar, orator and noted Kirtanya joined Baba ji and commenced Nishkam Sewa for the first time in his life – previously he performed kirtan for a living. Such was the influence Baba ji had on this scholar who had few equals at the time.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is interesting to note that in the early sixties when the Namdhari Guru visited <st1:country-region w:st="on">Kenya</st1:country-region> and the mainstream Sikhs felt intimidated and pressurized by his presence, they invited Gyani Amolak Singh ji from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />lace w:st="on">Tanzania</st1:country-region> to uplift their spirits by impressive lectures on Sikhi and Sikh history. Many saw this as a kind of contest, albeit at separate venues between the Namdharis and the mainstream Sikhs. Gyani Amolak Singh ji did a tremendous job in countering the influence of the Namdhari Guru and helped in raising the morale of the Sikhs. Therefore, for anyone to suggest that Baba ji was influenced by the Namdharis is ludicrous. In fact it is quite the opposite. Gyani Amolak Singh ji, in the sangat of Baba ji, wore a black dastar and a normal garb as worn by any Gyani. As this Sikh Institute developed they named it on the premise it began –Selfless Sewa and hence Nishkam Sewak Jatha or more precisely Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jatha. Th<strong>e </strong>Soho Road Gurdwara attracted sangat not only from <st1:City w:st="on">Birmingham and the Midlands but also from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />lace w:st="on">London and other Cities. They never had to appeal for funds or take loans as the sangat poured money in.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It must be noted that out of <strong>the five prominent figures</strong> that emerged in the group only <strong>Baba Puran Singh ji</strong> came from the Ramgarhia community,the other four <strong>Gyani Amolak Singh</strong>, <strong>Bhai Narang Singh ji</strong> (previously from Malaysia), <strong>Sewa Singh Mandla</strong> (a lawyer – seen in the pictures in the ‘Sikhs in Israel’ article), <strong>Bhai Mohinder Singh ji</strong> <strong>(an Ahluwalia) come form different backgrounds.</strong> To suggest that GNNSJ is a Ramgahria/Namdhari Sikh cult is gross injustice and a notion based on false premises<em>.</em></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gyani Amolak Singh was the high profile parcharak and kirtanya during Baba ji’s time in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />lace w:st="on">UK</st1:country-region> and also whilst Bhai Narang Singh ji took over the reins and briefly during Bhai Mohinder Singh ji’s tenure. </span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">He was a strong opponent of living Gurus and as mentioned above delivered many lectures to uplift the morale of Sikhs who felt intimidated by the presence in Nairobi of the Namdhari Guru. So to suggest that GNNSJ is a<strong> pseudo-ramgharia/namdhari Sikh cult is, forgive me, not fair in my opinion.</strong></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The quotation from Gurbani was not used as a weapon as suggested by Tejwant ji neither was it to label anyone as nindak. T</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">he quotation was just a POLITE way of reminding that prejudices can be harmful for the soul – please believe me, it was meant in good faith. <strong>I often remind myself of the same when I am carried away in over-zealous criticism of others. I would still repeat that nindya is a negative trait, even worse than the five vices – kaam, krodh, lobh, moh hunkaar.</strong> I, too, am wary of Babas who exploit religion for their personal benefit and when ever I carried away and become too critical of them my wife often reins me in by saying “nyndia acchi nahin” (slander – rancour - is not a good thing). <strong>I hope Tejwant ji will read this as I will not respond separately to his post – it is not a snub, only a desire to conclude this unfortunate chapter.</strong> No ill will of accusations were meant – the trouble is when we engage in discussions thorough writing is, that words and statements can be misconstrued and if I caused Tejwant ji any offence then it was unintentional. <strong>I do not mind being personally accused or derided </strong>but am only sensitive to what is said about our Gurus and saintly persons.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I do acknowledge that some respondents to this thread are longstanding members and I am relatively new on the scene but I am sure you will respect my right to express my views where I disagree or feel the remarks are prejudicial or damaging to a person, group or a community – I agree, in turn, it will be wrong of me to respond in the same away and if, in any way, that impression was given above, it was not intentional. I post very selectively and after this I would be even more selective as I can see the sort of scrutiny my posts undergo – every word appears to be scanned. Anyone who doubts my intentions should read the thread from the beginning and decide for themselves. I intend to close this chapter here as per Gyani ji’s wise words and it <span style="color: #001f4b">is only appropriate to end with his words<strong> “that we at SPN are mature Sikhs, members of a Brotherhood who can forgive and forget.”</strong></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Bhul chuk khima</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #001f4b"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="arshi, post: 123465, member: 9479"] <SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Verdana; COLOR: #001f4b; FONT-SIZE: 11pt">Aman Singh ji<?"urn:[IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/ /></SPAN></P><P style=[/IMG][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]Gurfateh[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]First of all let me apologise for putting you through so much trouble and as Gyani ji pointed out moderating is like walking on a two-edged sword. I also applaud your remarks that no one (including a moderator is above the guidelines). I applaud you for that.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]Please refer to my post to Tejwant ji where I clearly said that although I had prepared longer responses I [B]decided to not to post these in the interests of not hurting feelings. Hurting feelings and causing discomfort was never my objective. So I have tried. I reproduce a part of the note:[/B][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]Further, Aman Singh ji I did not put words in your mouth. Please do read again what I wrote and I quote: “Such unkind remarks were [B]quite rightly picked up[/B] [B]by Aman Singh ji asking for an explanation from the author[/B].” I used the ‘condemn’ word for other readers and do [B]admit the word was rather strong and the expression I meant to use was ‘question’ and the sentence [U]should [/U]have read[/B][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]“Such unkind remarks were quite rightly picked up by Aman Singh ji asking for an explanation from the author. It is disappointing to note that many, [B]including yourself[/B], did not [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=red][FONT=Verdana]question[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana] such outburst [B]until after Aman Singh ji’s post[/B].” But because of time constraints and the technical problems I was having in posting, an inappropriate word slipped, for which I apologise.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Arial Black][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana][COLOR=#001f4b] [/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]I had no hidden motive or intention to cause trouble and your comments are fair and totally above reproach. Thanks.[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana]However, please note that there were references to East Africans and Ramgarhias which were not, in my opinion, quite complimentary. Randip Singh calls GNNSJ [B]“this pseudo-ramgharia/namdhari Sikh cult.”[/B] I overlooked these again in the interests of not prolonging the arguments and withheld my rarher long response. Please do give some credit for the restraint I have shown.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I hope you will allow me to clear a few things up and also introduce some history. [B]This is not a criticism of anyone but only an effort to clear up a few facts[/B] – i.e. it is only informative and meant to educate and not to argue or offend.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]When Baba Puran Singh ji first came to <?xml::[IMG]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/ /><st1:country-region w:st=[/IMG]</st1:country-region><st1:place w:st="on">UK he felt that most Gurdwaras did not follow proper maryada and that those in authority were not always practicing Sikhs. Gradually a nucleus grew around him and the sangat purchased a small building in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Birmingham. Anyone involved was required to serve without any financial rewards including Ragis and parcharaks – absolute Nishkam Sewa was the motto. With time the organization gathered momentum. [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [B][FONT=Verdana]Gyani Amolak Singh[/FONT][/B][FONT=Verdana] (now deceased) a scholar, orator and noted Kirtanya joined Baba ji and commenced Nishkam Sewa for the first time in his life – previously he performed kirtan for a living. Such was the influence Baba ji had on this scholar who had few equals at the time.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]It is interesting to note that in the early sixties when the Namdhari Guru visited <st1:country-region w:st="on">Kenya</st1:country-region> and the mainstream Sikhs felt intimidated and pressurized by his presence, they invited Gyani Amolak Singh ji from <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">Tanzania</st1:country-region> to uplift their spirits by impressive lectures on Sikhi and Sikh history. Many saw this as a kind of contest, albeit at separate venues between the Namdharis and the mainstream Sikhs. Gyani Amolak Singh ji did a tremendous job in countering the influence of the Namdhari Guru and helped in raising the morale of the Sikhs. Therefore, for anyone to suggest that Baba ji was influenced by the Namdharis is ludicrous. In fact it is quite the opposite. Gyani Amolak Singh ji, in the sangat of Baba ji, wore a black dastar and a normal garb as worn by any Gyani. As this Sikh Institute developed they named it on the premise it began –Selfless Sewa and hence Nishkam Sewak Jatha or more precisely Guru Nanak Nishkam Sewak Jatha. Th[B]e [/B]Soho Road Gurdwara attracted sangat not only from <st1:City w:st="on">Birmingham and the Midlands but also from <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">London and other Cities. They never had to appeal for funds or take loans as the sangat poured money in.[/FONT] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana]It must be noted that out of [B]the five prominent figures[/B] that emerged in the group only [B]Baba Puran Singh ji[/B] came from the Ramgarhia community,the other four [B]Gyani Amolak Singh[/B], [B]Bhai Narang Singh ji[/B] (previously from Malaysia), [B]Sewa Singh Mandla[/B] (a lawyer – seen in the pictures in the ‘Sikhs in Israel’ article), [B]Bhai Mohinder Singh ji[/B] [B](an Ahluwalia) come form different backgrounds.[/B] To suggest that GNNSJ is a Ramgahria/Namdhari Sikh cult is gross injustice and a notion based on false premises[I].[/I][/FONT] [I][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/I] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]Gyani Amolak Singh was the high profile parcharak and kirtanya during Baba ji’s time in the <st1:country-region w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">UK</st1:country-region> and also whilst Bhai Narang Singh ji took over the reins and briefly during Bhai Mohinder Singh ji’s tenure. [/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Verdana]He was a strong opponent of living Gurus and as mentioned above delivered many lectures to uplift the morale of Sikhs who felt intimidated by the presence in Nairobi of the Namdhari Guru. So to suggest that GNNSJ is a[B] pseudo-ramgharia/namdhari Sikh cult is, forgive me, not fair in my opinion.[/B][/FONT] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]The quotation from Gurbani was not used as a weapon as suggested by Tejwant ji neither was it to label anyone as nindak. T[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Verdana]he quotation was just a POLITE way of reminding that prejudices can be harmful for the soul – please believe me, it was meant in good faith. [B]I often remind myself of the same when I am carried away in over-zealous criticism of others. I would still repeat that nindya is a negative trait, even worse than the five vices – kaam, krodh, lobh, moh hunkaar.[/B] I, too, am wary of Babas who exploit religion for their personal benefit and when ever I carried away and become too critical of them my wife often reins me in by saying “nyndia acchi nahin” (slander – rancour - is not a good thing). [B]I hope Tejwant ji will read this as I will not respond separately to his post – it is not a snub, only a desire to conclude this unfortunate chapter.[/B] No ill will of accusations were meant – the trouble is when we engage in discussions thorough writing is, that words and statements can be misconstrued and if I caused Tejwant ji any offence then it was unintentional. [B]I do not mind being personally accused or derided [/B]but am only sensitive to what is said about our Gurus and saintly persons.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]I do acknowledge that some respondents to this thread are longstanding members and I am relatively new on the scene but I am sure you will respect my right to express my views where I disagree or feel the remarks are prejudicial or damaging to a person, group or a community – I agree, in turn, it will be wrong of me to respond in the same away and if, in any way, that impression was given above, it was not intentional. I post very selectively and after this I would be even more selective as I can see the sort of scrutiny my posts undergo – every word appears to be scanned. Anyone who doubts my intentions should read the thread from the beginning and decide for themselves. I intend to close this chapter here as per Gyani ji’s wise words and it [COLOR=#001f4b]is only appropriate to end with his words[B] “that we at SPN are mature Sikhs, members of a Brotherhood who can forgive and forget.”[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]Bhul chuk khima[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#001f4b][FONT=Verdana]Rajinder Singh ‘Arshi’[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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