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Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana - A Debate
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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 73853" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p><strong>Re: Allegation of sexual abuse by S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji.</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Inder Singh ji</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Kala Afghana really didn’t get good marks personally ever. I wonder a person who himself voilates Gurmat, what right that person has left to preach Gurmat.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I read Mr. Ghaga too, the person claims he is just serving panth. Pity on him. Then there is Joginder Singh Spokesman who has built empire in Chandigarh on misguided sangat. Sunday 24 Feb 2008, he published an article questioning Ravidas's purity on the basis of fabricated stories. When it was opposed, an apology was offered but a case was registered against Joginder Singh and his employee any way. Why to do that? What to establish that? What to prove? Why the guy published the article in the first place? His wife blames Badal Govt( I am not found of them either) when a warrant was issued against Joginder Singh. Amanider Singh stood right behind him? Why man? The guy heart feelings of Bhagat Ravidas's followers and you and your party will fight for that? Shame on you. In U.S, political leaders show a little distance if some thing is said unacceptable but in India political people take sides openly! Waheguru save India!!!! You know what? I heard from fprmer emlpyee of Spokesman that all lthses guys are in bed with each other. <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sikhs should just stay aware of these people</span></strong></span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">DAMAGES</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">The counterclaim is advanced by both Bhullars against</span></p><p><span style="color: black">the plaintiff for the sexual assault. It is my view</span></p><p><span style="color: black">that the only one who can succeed in the counterclaim</span></p><p><span style="color: black">is Mrs. Bhullar. The defendant argues as if there is a</span></p><p><span style="color: black">counterclaim for defamation of character as well as</span></p><p><span style="color: black">sexual assault, but in fact that is not what the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">pleadings disclose. In any event, a case has not been</span></p><p><span style="color: black">made out to entitle Mr. Bhullar to damages.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">With respect to general damages for the sexual</span></p><p><span style="color: black">assault, I have to bear in mind the gravity of the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">assault, the circumstances of it, and its effect on</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Mrs. Bhullar. In this case, unlike a number of others</span></p><p><span style="color: black">where damages have been sought for sexual assault, the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">assault is of a comparatively minor nature in the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">sense that there was only the one incident, as opposed</span></p><p><span style="color: black">to cases where the assault was a rape or a similar</span></p><p><span style="color: black">crime of violence, or assaults on younger people, that</span></p><p><span style="color: black">have often continued over a number of years. Little is</span></p><p><span style="color: black">to be gained by trying to compare damages in cases</span></p><p><span style="color: black">that are not similar to the case at bar, so I do not</span></p><p><span style="color: black">propose to review the current authorities which are</span></p><p><span style="color: black">not bountiful. What I have to deal with here is an</span></p><p><span style="color: black">assault by a priest in the living quarters of a Sikh</span></p><p><span style="color: black">temple upon a parishioner who was requested to attend</span></p><p><span style="color: black">by the priest, who is the plaintiff. The emotional</span></p><p><span style="color: black">impact of the forceful touching of the plaintiffs</span></p><p><span style="color: black">chest and the attempt to take off her stockings is not</span></p><p><span style="color: black">only offensive but appalling, particularly as the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">priest in the Sikh religion is held in high esteem and</span></p><p><span style="color: black">the utmost in decorum is expected of him. He was in a</span></p><p><span style="color: black">position of trust and abused that trust. The assault</span></p><p><span style="color: black">was made possible because of the respect of Mrs.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Bhullar for the plaintiff as priest and her being at</span></p><p><span style="color: black">the temple at all was at his request. With respect to</span></p><p><span style="color: black">the consequences or the effect on Mrs. Bhullar, there</span></p><p><span style="color: black">is very little evidence before me other than her</span></p><p><span style="color: black">feelings of humiliation, shock and degradation. There</span></p><p><span style="color: black">do not appear to be any serious after-effects other</span></p><p><span style="color: black">than distaste for the whole matter. Consequently, it</span></p><p><span style="color: black">is my view that the damages should reflect the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">seriousness of the assault but damages in other more</span></p><p><span style="color: black">serious cases should be borne in mind to keep a</span></p><p><span style="color: black">balanced perspective of damages under this head. To</span></p><p><span style="color: black">some extent the impact on Mrs Bhullard is lessened, as</span></p><p><span style="color: black">her success in this lawsuit vindicates her and face is</span></p><p><span style="color: black">saved in a society where it is very important. By the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">same token, the plaintiff is discredited and has lost</span></p><p><span style="color: black">all respect and credibility in his community. I award</span></p><p><span style="color: black">general damages to Mrs. Bhullar in the amount of</span></p><p><span style="color: black">$5,000.00 for the sexual assault.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">A claim has been advanced for punitive damages. In</span></p><p><span style="color: black">this case it is my view that it is appropriate that</span></p><p><span style="color: black">punitive damages be awarded. They are not awarded on</span></p><p><span style="color: black">the basis of compensation but on the principle of</span></p><p><span style="color: black">punishment. In this case no criminal proceedings were</span></p><p><span style="color: black">launched, although the Bhullars did report the matter</span></p><p><span style="color: black">to the police, who left it to the Sikh community to</span></p><p><span style="color: black">sort out the matter and did not proceed with charges.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Consequently, the element of punishment of the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">plaintiff for his conduct has not been addressed. In</span></p><p><span style="color: black">this case punitive damages need be awarded to express</span></p><p><span style="color: black">society's disapproval of the conduct of the plaintiff</span></p><p><span style="color: black">as a priest in authority and trust breaching that</span></p><p><span style="color: black">trust and sexually assaulting a parishioner. His</span></p><p><span style="color: black">attempting, after that, to manufacture evidence and</span></p><p><span style="color: black">shift the blame away from himself and his harassment</span></p><p><span style="color: black">of Mrs. Bhullar is despicable. I award the sum of</span></p><p><span style="color: black">$5,000.00 as punitive damages. Mrs. Bhullar will have</span></p><p><span style="color: black">her costs of the counterclaim and pre-judgment</span></p><p><span style="color: black">interest at the rate set by the Registrar from time to</span></p><p><span style="color: black">time.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">MACDONELL J.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">(JUDGE)</span></p><p><span style="color: black">================================================</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">To All: It has been confirmed that KalaAfghana is</span></p><p><span style="color: black">infact convicted Sex offendar, I just got email from</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Mrs. Bhullar Attorney, I am forwarding that where in</span></p><p><span style="color: black">he has indicated that he was successfull in his case</span></p><p><span style="color: black">against Khalsa.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">What a joke we have been honoring a sex offendar in</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Gurudwara's and passing him as a scholar and reformer.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Thanks,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jagwinder Singh</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">From: Chris Considine QC</span></p><p><span style="color: black"><<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learning-zone/post?postID=YpYmQbX6LHmGCDwZHdef6X2ZVdqUkx8c8XxR8YZRhxu4mZLt4RBUu-A25M3bsjiVYSNtK5TPxHRR1Sh1xclCIL_VI2A" target="_blank"><span style="color: #247cd4">cmconsidine@...</span></a>></span></p><p><span style="color: black">To: JAGWINDER BANIPAL <<a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learning-zone/post?postID=aK6zcgaCyJKhGpmeRQjynB2YJ9cDFRZP__g_uqT948gNQoFHNn78fY42VKWUCM6X_7WCcCZxtCubLSA" target="_blank"><span style="color: #247cd4">jagwinder@...</span></a>></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Subject: Re: B.C.J. No. 378 Victoria Registry No.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">89/1983 Khalsa v. Bhullar</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 06:09:18 -0700</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Dear Jagwinder Singh ,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I acted for Ms Bhullar and we were successful in the</span></p><p><span style="color: black">case .I have not read the digest you sent in detail</span></p><p><span style="color: black">but check with B.C.J.if you have any questions</span></p><p><span style="color: black">regarding the accuracy of the reported decision .</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Yours truly ,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Chris Considine</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">----- Original</span></p><p><span style="color: black">From: JAGWINDER BANIPAL</span></p><p><span style="color: black">To: <a href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learning-zone/post?postID=YpYmQbX6LHmGCDwZHdef6X2ZVdqUkx8c8XxR8YZRhxu4mZLt4RBUu-A25M3bsjiVYSNtK5TPxHRR1Sh1xclCIL_VI2A" target="_blank"><span style="color: #247cd4">cmconsidine@...</span></a></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:57 PM</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Subject: B.C.J. No. 378 Victoria Registry No.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">89/1983 Khalsa v. Bhullar</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Dear Cmconisdine,</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">want to check the validty of the following judgement</span></p><p><span style="color: black">that was passed by judge in favour of your client. Is</span></p><p><span style="color: black">this email about true case.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Thanks,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">> </span></p><p><span style="color: black">> jagwinder Singh</span></p></blockquote><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Inder Singh ji</span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black">Kala Afghana really didnt get good marks personally ever. I wonder a person who himself voilates Gurmat, what right that person has left to preach Gurmat.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">I read Mr. Ghaga too, the person claims he is just serving panth. Pity on him. Then there is Joginder Singh Spokesman who has built empire in Chandigarh on misguided sangat. Sunday 24 Feb 2008, he published an article questioning Ravidas's purity on the basis of fabricated stories. When it was opposed, an apology was offered but a case was registered against Joginder Singh and his employee any way. Why to do that? What to establish that? What to prove? Why the guy published the article in the first place? His wife blames Badal Govt( I am not found of them either) when a warrant was issued against Joginder Singh. Amanider Singh stood right behind him? Why man? The guy heart feelings of Bhagat Ravidas's followers and you and your party will fight for that? Shame on you. In U.S, political leaders show a little distance if some thing is said unacceptable but in India political people take sides openly! Waheguru save India!!!! You know what? I heard from fprmer emlpyee of Spokesman that all lthses guys are in bed with each other. <strong><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sikhs should just stay aware of these people</span></strong></span></p><p></p><p>[/QUOTE]</p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 73853, member: 5889"] [b]Re: Allegation of sexual abuse by S. Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana Ji.[/b] [COLOR=black]Inder Singh ji[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Kala Afghana really didn’t get good marks personally ever. I wonder a person who himself voilates Gurmat, what right that person has left to preach Gurmat.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I read Mr. Ghaga too, the person claims he is just serving panth. Pity on him. Then there is Joginder Singh Spokesman who has built empire in Chandigarh on misguided sangat. Sunday 24 Feb 2008, he published an article questioning Ravidas's purity on the basis of fabricated stories. When it was opposed, an apology was offered but a case was registered against Joginder Singh and his employee any way. Why to do that? What to establish that? What to prove? Why the guy published the article in the first place? His wife blames Badal Govt( I am not found of them either) when a warrant was issued against Joginder Singh. Amanider Singh stood right behind him? Why man? The guy heart feelings of Bhagat Ravidas's followers and you and your party will fight for that? Shame on you. In U.S, political leaders show a little distance if some thing is said unacceptable but in India political people take sides openly! Waheguru save India!!!! You know what? I heard from fprmer emlpyee of Spokesman that all lthses guys are in bed with each other. [B][FONT=Verdana]Sikhs should just stay aware of these people[/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [COLOR=black]DAMAGES[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]The counterclaim is advanced by both Bhullars against[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]the plaintiff for the sexual assault. It is my view[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]that the only one who can succeed in the counterclaim[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]is Mrs. Bhullar. The defendant argues as if there is a[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]counterclaim for defamation of character as well as[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]sexual assault, but in fact that is not what the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]pleadings disclose. In any event, a case has not been[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]made out to entitle Mr. Bhullar to damages.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]With respect to general damages for the sexual[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]assault, I have to bear in mind the gravity of the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]assault, the circumstances of it, and its effect on[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Mrs. Bhullar. In this case, unlike a number of others[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]where damages have been sought for sexual assault, the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]assault is of a comparatively minor nature in the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]sense that there was only the one incident, as opposed[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]to cases where the assault was a rape or a similar[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]crime of violence, or assaults on younger people, that[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]have often continued over a number of years. Little is[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]to be gained by trying to compare damages in cases[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]that are not similar to the case at bar, so I do not[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]propose to review the current authorities which are[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]not bountiful. What I have to deal with here is an[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]assault by a priest in the living quarters of a Sikh[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]temple upon a parishioner who was requested to attend[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]by the priest, who is the plaintiff. The emotional[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]impact of the forceful touching of the plaintiffs[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]chest and the attempt to take off her stockings is not[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]only offensive but appalling, particularly as the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]priest in the Sikh religion is held in high esteem and[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]the utmost in decorum is expected of him. He was in a[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]position of trust and abused that trust. The assault[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]was made possible because of the respect of Mrs.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Bhullar for the plaintiff as priest and her being at[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]the temple at all was at his request. With respect to[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]the consequences or the effect on Mrs. Bhullar, there[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]is very little evidence before me other than her[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]feelings of humiliation, shock and degradation. There[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]do not appear to be any serious after-effects other[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]than distaste for the whole matter. Consequently, it[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]is my view that the damages should reflect the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]seriousness of the assault but damages in other more[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]serious cases should be borne in mind to keep a[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]balanced perspective of damages under this head. To[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]some extent the impact on Mrs Bhullard is lessened, as[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]her success in this lawsuit vindicates her and face is[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]saved in a society where it is very important. By the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]same token, the plaintiff is discredited and has lost[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]all respect and credibility in his community. I award[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]general damages to Mrs. Bhullar in the amount of[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]$5,000.00 for the sexual assault.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]A claim has been advanced for punitive damages. In[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]this case it is my view that it is appropriate that[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]punitive damages be awarded. They are not awarded on[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]the basis of compensation but on the principle of[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]punishment. In this case no criminal proceedings were[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]launched, although the Bhullars did report the matter[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]to the police, who left it to the Sikh community to[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]sort out the matter and did not proceed with charges.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Consequently, the element of punishment of the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]plaintiff for his conduct has not been addressed. In[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]this case punitive damages need be awarded to express[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]society's disapproval of the conduct of the plaintiff[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]as a priest in authority and trust breaching that[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]trust and sexually assaulting a parishioner. His[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]attempting, after that, to manufacture evidence and[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]shift the blame away from himself and his harassment[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]of Mrs. Bhullar is despicable. I award the sum of[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]$5,000.00 as punitive damages. Mrs. Bhullar will have[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]her costs of the counterclaim and pre-judgment[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]interest at the rate set by the Registrar from time to[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]time.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]MACDONELL J.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black](JUDGE)[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]================================================[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]To All: It has been confirmed that KalaAfghana is[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]infact convicted Sex offendar, I just got email from[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Mrs. Bhullar Attorney, I am forwarding that where in[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]he has indicated that he was successfull in his case[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]against Khalsa.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]What a joke we have been honoring a sex offendar in[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Gurudwara's and passing him as a scholar and reformer.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Thanks,[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Jagwinder Singh[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]From: Chris Considine QC[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]<[URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learning-zone/post?postID=YpYmQbX6LHmGCDwZHdef6X2ZVdqUkx8c8XxR8YZRhxu4mZLt4RBUu-A25M3bsjiVYSNtK5TPxHRR1Sh1xclCIL_VI2A"][COLOR=#247cd4]cmconsidine@...[/COLOR][/URL]>[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]To: JAGWINDER BANIPAL <[URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learning-zone/post?postID=aK6zcgaCyJKhGpmeRQjynB2YJ9cDFRZP__g_uqT948gNQoFHNn78fY42VKWUCM6X_7WCcCZxtCubLSA"][COLOR=#247cd4]jagwinder@...[/COLOR][/URL]>[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Subject: Re: B.C.J. No. 378 Victoria Registry No.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]89/1983 Khalsa v. Bhullar[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 06:09:18 -0700[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Dear Jagwinder Singh ,[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I acted for Ms Bhullar and we were successful in the[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]case .I have not read the digest you sent in detail[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]but check with B.C.J.if you have any questions[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]regarding the accuracy of the reported decision .[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Yours truly ,[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Chris Considine[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]----- Original[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]From: JAGWINDER BANIPAL[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]To: [URL="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/learning-zone/post?postID=YpYmQbX6LHmGCDwZHdef6X2ZVdqUkx8c8XxR8YZRhxu4mZLt4RBUu-A25M3bsjiVYSNtK5TPxHRR1Sh1xclCIL_VI2A"][COLOR=#247cd4]cmconsidine@...[/COLOR][/URL][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Sent: Friday, June 24, 2005 5:57 PM[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Subject: B.C.J. No. 378 Victoria Registry No.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]89/1983 Khalsa v. Bhullar[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Dear Cmconisdine,[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]want to check the validty of the following judgement[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]that was passed by judge in favour of your client. Is[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]this email about true case.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Thanks,[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]> [/COLOR] [COLOR=black]> jagwinder Singh[/quote][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Inder Singh ji[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Kala Afghana really didnt get good marks personally ever. I wonder a person who himself voilates Gurmat, what right that person has left to preach Gurmat.[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]I read Mr. Ghaga too, the person claims he is just serving panth. Pity on him. Then there is Joginder Singh Spokesman who has built empire in Chandigarh on misguided sangat. Sunday 24 Feb 2008, he published an article questioning Ravidas's purity on the basis of fabricated stories. When it was opposed, an apology was offered but a case was registered against Joginder Singh and his employee any way. Why to do that? What to establish that? What to prove? Why the guy published the article in the first place? His wife blames Badal Govt( I am not found of them either) when a warrant was issued against Joginder Singh. Amanider Singh stood right behind him? Why man? The guy heart feelings of Bhagat Ravidas's followers and you and your party will fight for that? Shame on you. In U.S, political leaders show a little distance if some thing is said unacceptable but in India political people take sides openly! Waheguru save India!!!! You know what? I heard from fprmer emlpyee of Spokesman that all lthses guys are in bed with each other. [B][FONT=Verdana]Sikhs should just stay aware of these people[/FONT][/B][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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