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Gurbani Vyakaran (Viyakaran, Vayakaran, Viakaran) - Punjabi Grammar
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 164056" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Prakash.s.bagga ji I have some comments and these are not necessarily complementary of your positions.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">You have absolutely no right let alone should be shameful of thought other than that <strong>“Punjabi with Gurmukhi script is also what Guru ji gave us as part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji”</strong>.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">Prakash.S.Bagga ji Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji uses a <strong>standard dialect</strong> (also known as a <strong>standardized dialect</strong> or "standard language") as per Guru ji’s use of it and the writings as adapted and included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji by them.</span></em> </p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">You or anyone else at this juncture are not going to set any new rules for it. The Punjabi language with Gurmukhi script comes from them and as they saw, developed and penned it.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">The Guru ji saw it fit to recognize and hence let it be included, some vocabulary from other languages based on writings of others, but with phonetics and meanings well understood in the Punjab and Punjabi of the day.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">Prakash.S.Bagga ji to transliterate is , “to represent or spell in the characters of another alphabet”</span></em>. <em><span style="color: blue">You should know by your many failed and imaginary attempts at transliteration by now. </span></em></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">You have uniquely used upper and lower case only without phonetic accents as by Dr. Thind to represent “Onkur”, “Dulankar”, “Sihari”, “Bihari”, etc. Even a child will tell you that you cannot transliterate Punjabi into English using just upper and lower case letters and associated sounds. There are not enough sounds that can be so created to represent without phonetic accents.</span></em></p><p></p><p></p><p> <img src="http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy301/Happy2iam/Gurmukhi-Alphabet.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> </p><p> <img src="http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy301/Happy2iam/HindiAlphabet.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p></p><p></p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">Your statement is epitome of nonsense. Can you review the above two sets of scripts with non-100% 1:1 mapping and recognize that what you are posing is simply a falsehood and an insult to Gurmukhi script and Punjabi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. One can make the constructs to sound close enough but not identical.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> <strong><em><u><span style="color: blue">Punjabi script is not a subset</span></u></em></strong><em><span style="color: blue"> (I hope you understand what is meant by set and subset) <u><strong>of Devnagri script</strong></u> and that will be the only way that Gurmukhi based Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji could have been possibly transliterated into Devnagri. Hence any Devnagri stuff may appear close but it is an insult to claim what you do above.</span></em></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: blue">Prakash.S.Bagga ji here you go with more nonsense by inventing new things to describe whether things are identical or not. You use the phrase “<strong><u>the grammar is that of SANSKRIT pattern</u>”</strong></span></em>. <em><span style="color: blue">I find it derogatory of you to state this. If you went to a good school, learned good Punjabi taught by a good teacher, the word Sanskrit would not even need to be mentioned. </span></em></p><p> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">The Punjabi and Gurmukhi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji self stands. There is use of words or vocabulary from other languages which become by inclusion part of Punjabi/Gurmukhi that our Guru ji gave us. This is how languages evolve. </span></em></p><p> </p><p></p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">Prakash.S.Bagga ji since you are insulting every Sikh who only learned Punjabi with Gurmukhi script, let me give you back some of your own treatment.</span></em></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: Blue"><em>I suggest you rinse your mind and get rid of Devnagri/Hindi and Sanskrit garbage out of your head and really know what Gurmukhi and Punjabi stand for. You will then realize how they are sufficient to understand the gift and messages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji given to us by our Guru ji.</em></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black">Sat Sri Akal.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 164056, member: 14194"] Prakash.s.bagga ji I have some comments and these are not necessarily complementary of your positions. [I][COLOR=blue]You have absolutely no right let alone should be shameful of thought other than that [B]“Punjabi with Gurmukhi script is also what Guru ji gave us as part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji”[/B].[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Prakash.S.Bagga ji Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji uses a [B]standard dialect[/B] (also known as a [B]standardized dialect[/B] or "standard language") as per Guru ji’s use of it and the writings as adapted and included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji by them.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]You or anyone else at this juncture are not going to set any new rules for it. The Punjabi language with Gurmukhi script comes from them and as they saw, developed and penned it.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]The Guru ji saw it fit to recognize and hence let it be included, some vocabulary from other languages based on writings of others, but with phonetics and meanings well understood in the Punjab and Punjabi of the day.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Prakash.S.Bagga ji to transliterate is , “to represent or spell in the characters of another alphabet”[/COLOR][/I]. [I][COLOR=blue]You should know by your many failed and imaginary attempts at transliteration by now. [/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]You have uniquely used upper and lower case only without phonetic accents as by Dr. Thind to represent “Onkur”, “Dulankar”, “Sihari”, “Bihari”, etc. Even a child will tell you that you cannot transliterate Punjabi into English using just upper and lower case letters and associated sounds. There are not enough sounds that can be so created to represent without phonetic accents.[/COLOR][/I] [IMG]http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy301/Happy2iam/Gurmukhi-Alphabet.jpg[/IMG] [IMG]http://i802.photobucket.com/albums/yy301/Happy2iam/HindiAlphabet.jpg[/IMG] [I][COLOR=blue]Your statement is epitome of nonsense. Can you review the above two sets of scripts with non-100% 1:1 mapping and recognize that what you are posing is simply a falsehood and an insult to Gurmukhi script and Punjabi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. One can make the constructs to sound close enough but not identical.[/COLOR][/I] [B][I][U][COLOR=blue]Punjabi script is not a subset[/COLOR][/U][/I][/B][I][COLOR=blue] (I hope you understand what is meant by set and subset) [U][B]of Devnagri script[/B][/U] and that will be the only way that Gurmukhi based Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji could have been possibly transliterated into Devnagri. Hence any Devnagri stuff may appear close but it is an insult to claim what you do above.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Prakash.S.Bagga ji here you go with more nonsense by inventing new things to describe whether things are identical or not. You use the phrase “[B][U]the grammar is that of SANSKRIT pattern[/U]”[/B][/COLOR][/I]. [I][COLOR=blue]I find it derogatory of you to state this. If you went to a good school, learned good Punjabi taught by a good teacher, the word Sanskrit would not even need to be mentioned. [/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]The Punjabi and Gurmukhi of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji self stands. There is use of words or vocabulary from other languages which become by inclusion part of Punjabi/Gurmukhi that our Guru ji gave us. This is how languages evolve. [/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Prakash.S.Bagga ji since you are insulting every Sikh who only learned Punjabi with Gurmukhi script, let me give you back some of your own treatment.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=Blue][I]I suggest you rinse your mind and get rid of Devnagri/Hindi and Sanskrit garbage out of your head and really know what Gurmukhi and Punjabi stand for. You will then realize how they are sufficient to understand the gift and messages of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji given to us by our Guru ji.[/I][/COLOR] [COLOR=black]Sat Sri Akal.[/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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