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Gurbani (696-703)
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Gurbani (795-831)
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Gurbani (984-988)
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Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
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Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
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Bara Maha (1107-1110)
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Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
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Gurbani (1168-1187)
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Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
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Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
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Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
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Vaar Kaanraa
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Gurbani (1327-1341)
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Gurbani (1352-53)
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Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 176393" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>Prakash.S.Bagga ji I mean no pain or disrespect but want to state things in pretty black and white style. Sometimes it may appear hurtful or be hurtful but that is not the purpose. If it hurt you I apologize.</p><p> </p><p> As you may notice you do taunting which you may in your heart believe is justified. <em><span style="color: blue">But for the person or interacting spn members, your statement above can be paraphrased into “ ... you fools don’t understand or want to understand as it is a bitter pill to swallow”.</span></em> <em><span style="color: blue">Such statements innocuous as these appear are quite insidious and demeaning to multiple people you address these to.</span></em></p><p> <span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Prakash.S.Bagga ji you must realize that I have nothing personal against you. You are a worldly, gurbani knowledge wise a great and successful person from what I know. I respect you for that.</span><strong><em><span style="color: blue"></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: blue"></span></em></strong></p><p><strong><em><span style="color: blue">The issue is that your complete focus on "Plural Creator" in the </span></em><em><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੂ</span></em></strong><span style="color: Blue"><em><strong> as a fundamental contradiction of ੴ /Ik▫oaʼnkār.</strong></em></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em></em></span> </p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">ੴ /Ik▫oaʼnkār you again tried to put complementing the ਗੁਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੂ thesis. One can visit the following thread for that,</span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: blue"></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: blue"><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html</a></span></em></p><p></p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">In the following there is a discussion of gender and again an attempt to personify the infinite (unknown) as espoused in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,</span></em></p><p></p><p> <em><span style="color: blue">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37654-creator-god-sri-guru-granth-sahib-2.html</span></em></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><em>Yes the style of poetry is acting as a female spouse (the writers) to the creator (male - groom)</em></span>. <span style="color: Blue"><em>This however does not extend into a declaration of reality of gender of the creator or assignment of one or even dialog about one.</em></span></p><p></p><p> This fundamental approach driven by ways to define the one creator is flawed. You, others or I cannot put the creator in a blue or pink box or multiple boxes. Our Guru ji did not try to do it and I am sure they were more capable of doing so if it was possible. This is against the teaching in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and even minimal understanding of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji should guide us to not do so.</p><p></p><p> Complicating Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji understanding is a clear way to pull people away from it. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji from how I read, how Prof. Sahib Singh ji and others have tried to explain is in people’s language, Punjabi. After the fact books even from the most eminent people cannot form a basis to retroactively create or declare rules followed by Guru ji, Bhagat Kabir ji, Baba Farid ji, and all others. Yes we can use these to better understand but it all starts with Punjabi as a whole including Punjabi Grammar. We cannot and must not declare that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was not understood by anyone before Prof. Sahib Singh ji’s Vyakaran or Talwara ji or others books came out. We need to take all as a balance set of tools that is if we need to use these beyond our basic Punjabi education.</p><p></p><p> Let us review some shabads together as you have very sharp mind to quickly find related shabads in discussion topics and I have enjoyed your contributions in this regard always.</p><p></p><p> Sat Sri Akal.</p><p></p><p> <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 176393, member: 14194"] Prakash.S.Bagga ji I mean no pain or disrespect but want to state things in pretty black and white style. Sometimes it may appear hurtful or be hurtful but that is not the purpose. If it hurt you I apologize. As you may notice you do taunting which you may in your heart believe is justified. [I][COLOR=blue]But for the person or interacting spn members, your statement above can be paraphrased into “ ... you fools don’t understand or want to understand as it is a bitter pill to swallow”.[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]Such statements innocuous as these appear are quite insidious and demeaning to multiple people you address these to.[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black] Prakash.S.Bagga ji you must realize that I have nothing personal against you. You are a worldly, gurbani knowledge wise a great and successful person from what I know. I respect you for that.[/COLOR][B][I][COLOR=blue] The issue is that your complete focus on "Plural Creator" in the [/COLOR][/I][I][FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੂ[/FONT][/I][/B][COLOR=Blue][I][B] as a fundamental contradiction of ੴ /Ik▫oaʼnkār.[/B] [/I][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=blue]ੴ /Ik▫oaʼnkār you again tried to put complementing the ਗੁਰ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੁਰੂ thesis. One can visit the following thread for that, [URL]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37225-sri-guru-granth-sahib-review-ik.html[/URL][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]In the following there is a discussion of gender and again an attempt to personify the infinite (unknown) as espoused in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,[/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=blue]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/gurmat-vichaar/37654-creator-god-sri-guru-granth-sahib-2.html[/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=Blue][I]Yes the style of poetry is acting as a female spouse (the writers) to the creator (male - groom)[/I][/COLOR]. [COLOR=Blue][I]This however does not extend into a declaration of reality of gender of the creator or assignment of one or even dialog about one.[/I][/COLOR] This fundamental approach driven by ways to define the one creator is flawed. You, others or I cannot put the creator in a blue or pink box or multiple boxes. Our Guru ji did not try to do it and I am sure they were more capable of doing so if it was possible. This is against the teaching in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and even minimal understanding of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji should guide us to not do so. Complicating Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji understanding is a clear way to pull people away from it. Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji from how I read, how Prof. Sahib Singh ji and others have tried to explain is in people’s language, Punjabi. After the fact books even from the most eminent people cannot form a basis to retroactively create or declare rules followed by Guru ji, Bhagat Kabir ji, Baba Farid ji, and all others. Yes we can use these to better understand but it all starts with Punjabi as a whole including Punjabi Grammar. We cannot and must not declare that Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji was not understood by anyone before Prof. Sahib Singh ji’s Vyakaran or Talwara ji or others books came out. We need to take all as a balance set of tools that is if we need to use these beyond our basic Punjabi education. Let us review some shabads together as you have very sharp mind to quickly find related shabads in discussion topics and I have enjoyed your contributions in this regard always. Sat Sri Akal. <!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:LatentStyles DefLockedState="false" LatentStyleCount="156"> </w:LatentStyles> </xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 10]> <style> /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0in 5.4pt 0in 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0in; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} </style> <![endif]--> [/QUOTE]
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