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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 90765" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>is there anything in this world that can satisfy someone? no at least nothing can satisfy the will of a learner to learn (Saint Soldier Ji).[/FONT]</p><p> Above my statement was very personal, I have no question about systematic treatment Gurbani provides to its followers, and I am totally satisfied; in case there is some one whose will in pursuit of learning, is in questioning process, I have nothing against it. Hope you will respect personal satisfaction part.[/FONT]</p><p> [/FONT]</p><p> <strong>In His creation, there is a brain that carries all kinds of emotions, out of them, some are displayed and some are suppressed.(Why, it has also explanation) They grow as per environments (because it is per His Hukam to be in them) to different levels(pk70).</strong></p><p> <img src="http://file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />(Saint Soldier Ji)[/FONT]</p><p> Please discuss the structure of the brain with a Neurologist; he will express it well align to the above idea. Every thing He has boxed in the brain which also falls in the context of [/FONT]Surat[/FONT]. When we live for the society, we suppress our emotions to please it or being afraid of it. Contrary to it, the one who lives for the Lord never does that but expresses as he feels about <u>the trut</u>h. We have examples of many enlightened ones who did it without fear. Environment sculptures the growth of the brain in all areas. Even genius remains ignorant if his/her company[/FONT] is [/FONT]of ignorant (exceptions can be there when a genius changes the company instead of becoming part of it) All this falls under His Ordinance as we already accepted Guru’s statement about His Ordinance.[/FONT]</p><p> [/FONT]</p><p> <strong>Existence in full form of these fives affects the “</strong><strong>Surat</strong><strong>”(reflected by environments as well),in their choice for “Aviddya” remains dominant.(pk70)</strong>[/FONT]</p><p> it is not in our hands to control the five evils?<img src="http://file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /> come on [/FONT]</p><p> <strong>Here I have not said what you are stating or questioning; I have stated that if t<u>hese fives remain in full strength,</u> choice of Aviddya remains dominant, what it has to do with the controlling fives?[/FONT]</strong></p><p> [/FONT]</p><p> <strong>Aviddya is denial of the truth, Here <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Karma</a>(deeds) become dependent of Aviddya, it elevates the fives that trigger anger, ego, greed and cruelty(pk70)</strong>[/FONT]</p><p> as i have said earlier avidya is of two types one when we deny the truth knowingly and the other when we are ignorant about it that is we dont know what the truth is. the second point is true but not completely .<a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Karma</a> is a reaction to God's will and it is certainly affected by the five evils(given if a person had them).[/FONT]</p><p> <strong>How you can divide a concept in to two different ones? Karma is <u>not only</u> reaction but actual deed depending upon the given [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong>, and the given [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong> is His creation-Will. They are affected by five ones if HE wills (again it is Him that causes the deeds /actions/reactions etc). [/FONT]</strong></p><p> [/FONT]</p><p> <strong>HE sets all emotions in the brain. Some time I compare the </strong><strong>Surat</strong><strong> described by <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> ji as a computer chip, computer is bound to that chip, if chip is changed or modified, actions change. In computer it is changed or modified by the engineer but in humans, it is only changed or modified with His Ordinance like through the True <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Guru</a> and also through the company of others (environment). The Lord magnifies “the self” within and the Lord reduces it too, all He does through environment (His creation) as He wills. So even choices become His play(pk70)</strong></p><p> first thing mens are not as sensible and as obedient as computers we work on our senses.and second thing to provide choices is his will but to accept them or not is ours.(Saint Soldier Ji)[/FONT]</p><p> [/FONT]</p><p> <strong>It is sad to notice that you have not understood the example of computer chip as you didn’t understand the delivery of the performance in director’s example in the past. Where did I say humans are like computers, or chip acts completely as [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong> does? I compared something that [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong> and the chip have. Obviously chip is different than [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong> but it has something that triggers actions, same way [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong> has something that causes actions/reactions. If the chip is modified, actions change, same way if [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong> is modified, actions change. What it has to do with the sensibility? Please take only essence of the example than taking used words as factual comparison.[/FONT]</strong></p><p> <strong>What you call “senses” Guru ji call it [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong>, what is the difference? Whatever He does, He does it through given [/FONT]</strong><strong>Surat[/FONT]</strong><strong>” either by modifying it or keeping it as it is. He preordains the atmosphere(environment) to keep it as it is or to modify it. Why? Guru ji doesn’t ask this question and neither do I have any curiosity to question His Will in this context. You are where you are, there is no power in you to get out of it unless He doesn’t want. As quoted before.[/FONT]</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀਵਣਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਣਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span> </strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਜਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਲਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨਿ</span> </a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋਰੁ</span> </a></span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span></strong>[/FONT]</p><p> <strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I have no strength to live and no strength to die.</span></span> </strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">I have no strength to acquire empire and wealth, which stir up a commotion in the mind</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">.(note</span></span></strong><strong><span style="color: navy"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">, translator took literal meaning of “shor” actually it means display of ego feeding claims by shouting "power of I”)</span></span></strong>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 90765, member: 5889"] is there anything in this world that can satisfy someone? no at least nothing can satisfy the will of a learner to learn (Saint Soldier Ji).[/FONT] Above my statement was very personal, I have no question about systematic treatment Gurbani provides to its followers, and I am totally satisfied; in case there is some one whose will in pursuit of learning, is in questioning process, I have nothing against it. Hope you will respect personal satisfaction part.[/FONT] [/FONT] [B]In His creation, there is a brain that carries all kinds of emotions, out of them, some are displayed and some are suppressed.(Why, it has also explanation) They grow as per environments (because it is per His Hukam to be in them) to different levels(pk70).[/B] [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG](Saint Soldier Ji)[/FONT] Please discuss the structure of the brain with a Neurologist; he will express it well align to the above idea. Every thing He has boxed in the brain which also falls in the context of [/FONT]Surat[/FONT]. When we live for the society, we suppress our emotions to please it or being afraid of it. Contrary to it, the one who lives for the Lord never does that but expresses as he feels about [U]the trut[/U]h. We have examples of many enlightened ones who did it without fear. Environment sculptures the growth of the brain in all areas. Even genius remains ignorant if his/her company[/FONT] is [/FONT]of ignorant (exceptions can be there when a genius changes the company instead of becoming part of it) All this falls under His Ordinance as we already accepted Guru’s statement about His Ordinance.[/FONT] [/FONT] [B]Existence in full form of these fives affects the “[/B][B]Surat[/B][B]”(reflected by environments as well),in their choice for “Aviddya” remains dominant.(pk70)[/B][/FONT] it is not in our hands to control the five evils?[IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.gif[/IMG] come on [/FONT] [B]Here I have not said what you are stating or questioning; I have stated that if t[U]hese fives remain in full strength,[/U] choice of Aviddya remains dominant, what it has to do with the controlling fives?[/FONT][/B] [/FONT] [B]Aviddya is denial of the truth, Here [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Karma[/URL](deeds) become dependent of Aviddya, it elevates the fives that trigger anger, ego, greed and cruelty(pk70)[/B][/FONT] as i have said earlier avidya is of two types one when we deny the truth knowingly and the other when we are ignorant about it that is we dont know what the truth is. the second point is true but not completely .[URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Karma[/URL] is a reaction to God's will and it is certainly affected by the five evils(given if a person had them).[/FONT] [B]How you can divide a concept in to two different ones? Karma is [U]not only[/U] reaction but actual deed depending upon the given [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B], and the given [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B] is His creation-Will. They are affected by five ones if HE wills (again it is Him that causes the deeds /actions/reactions etc). [/FONT][/B] [/FONT] [B]HE sets all emotions in the brain. Some time I compare the [/B][B]Surat[/B][B] described by [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] ji as a computer chip, computer is bound to that chip, if chip is changed or modified, actions change. In computer it is changed or modified by the engineer but in humans, it is only changed or modified with His Ordinance like through the True [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Guru[/URL] and also through the company of others (environment). The Lord magnifies “the self” within and the Lord reduces it too, all He does through environment (His creation) as He wills. So even choices become His play(pk70)[/B] first thing mens are not as sensible and as obedient as computers we work on our senses.and second thing to provide choices is his will but to accept them or not is ours.(Saint Soldier Ji)[/FONT] [/FONT] [B]It is sad to notice that you have not understood the example of computer chip as you didn’t understand the delivery of the performance in director’s example in the past. Where did I say humans are like computers, or chip acts completely as [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B] does? I compared something that [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B] and the chip have. Obviously chip is different than [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B] but it has something that triggers actions, same way [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B] has something that causes actions/reactions. If the chip is modified, actions change, same way if [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B] is modified, actions change. What it has to do with the sensibility? Please take only essence of the example than taking used words as factual comparison.[/FONT][/B] [B]What you call “senses” Guru ji call it [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B], what is the difference? Whatever He does, He does it through given [/FONT][/B][B]Surat[/FONT][/B][B]” either by modifying it or keeping it as it is. He preordains the atmosphere(environment) to keep it as it is or to modify it. Why? Guru ji doesn’t ask this question and neither do I have any curiosity to question His Will in this context. You are where you are, there is no power in you to get out of it unless He doesn’t want. As quoted before.[/FONT][/B] [B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%80%E0%A8%B5%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀਵਣਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%A3%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਣਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%B9"][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=AnmolUniPr][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%9C%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%A8"][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B0%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%9C%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਜਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%BE%E0%A8%B2%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਲਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%AE%E0%A8%A8%E0%A8%BF"][FONT=Raavi]ਮਨਿ[/FONT] [/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=%E0%A8%B8%E0%A9%8B%E0%A8%B0%E0%A9%81"][FONT=Raavi]ਸੋਰੁ[/FONT] [/URL][/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/FONT] [B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]I have no strength to live and no strength to die.[/FONT][/COLOR] [/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma]I have no strength to acquire empire and wealth, which stir up a commotion in the mind[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Tahoma].(note[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=navy][FONT=Tahoma], translator took literal meaning of “shor” actually it means display of ego feeding claims by shouting "power of I”)[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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