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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 90661" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>Antonia ji and Pyari Sadh Sangat ji,</p><p>Do you notice that the Gurus tackle every issue with both sides?</p><p>They are not saying you don't have free will and they don't say you do. They state what seem like two contradictory points. BUT with careful thought one comes to think that these aren't in fact contradictory, they are ways of saying things, they are ways of thinking about situations. </p><p>I don't think this concept is complicated. We make it complicated by thinking about it too much.I've thought about it (no pun intended) with a rational mind, and found it to be quite simple. And I think it does not matter whether it is karma or God' will, we as Sikhs have to remember Him, share and live honestly. Now these principles do not require you to be a believer of karma OR God's will. The purpose of the concepts, if needed, is to bring balance in life. </p><p></p><p>Let me present:</p><p><u>Slicing the onion</u> :8-<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p>Before, slicing the onion. I could say I will cut the onion, indicating free will or I could say God wills that this onion shall be cut.</p><p>After I cut the onion. I could either say, I've cut the onion or I could say, this sliced onion was the will of God.</p><p>But really does it matter who did what? The believer of almighty would say God did it. The atheist would say I did it. But in the end, the onion was in fact, guess? ...sliced. Now this is a neutral situation and presents no opportunity for the ...slicer to use the concepts to the advantage.( More on this later.)</p><p></p><p>I think there is no purpose of discussing things like these. There is no right answer when it comes to picking a side. They are two sides of a coin. If your coin is standing on the edge, it is unstable so, you will switch between the concepts depending on the situation. I think keeping your coin standing is better then having a side facing up all the time. I think this is what the Gurus were aiming for, by taking both sides!</p><p>This switch is required for balance in life! You have to know what side to tip the coin over for different situations to get the results.</p><p>Let me present another example of where and how to use the concepts to your advantage:</p><p><u>Getting an A+ on the report card</u> :advocate:</p><p>The student could either be like that emoticon and get filled with pride, causing him/her to fall on the next test. Or he/she could keep pride away from him/her and chill, which makes him/her do better on the next test.</p><p>Now in this case, if the student says I did it, I, I, I, not you! Then pride will result. </p><p>If the student says it is God's Will, then pride is no more. YAY!<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /> The student uses the concepts to his/her advantage and tips the coin to reveal God's will causing him to do better.</p><p></p><p>However, getting a A+ might not fill the student with pride, rather it might motivate him/her. In this case, saying I can do it! would result in a better output next time, rather than saying oh, it was jsut how God intended it, he might not be so graceful next time. Of course, however, the point is to obtain a positive mindset (<em>chardi kala </em>attitude), and through which ever way one can obtain that mindset, one should continue on that way.</p><p></p><p>Bhagat Singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 90661, member: 2610"] Antonia ji and Pyari Sadh Sangat ji, Do you notice that the Gurus tackle every issue with both sides? They are not saying you don't have free will and they don't say you do. They state what seem like two contradictory points. BUT with careful thought one comes to think that these aren't in fact contradictory, they are ways of saying things, they are ways of thinking about situations. I don't think this concept is complicated. We make it complicated by thinking about it too much.I've thought about it (no pun intended) with a rational mind, and found it to be quite simple. And I think it does not matter whether it is karma or God' will, we as Sikhs have to remember Him, share and live honestly. Now these principles do not require you to be a believer of karma OR God's will. The purpose of the concepts, if needed, is to bring balance in life. Let me present: [U]Slicing the onion[/U] :8-(: Before, slicing the onion. I could say I will cut the onion, indicating free will or I could say God wills that this onion shall be cut. After I cut the onion. I could either say, I've cut the onion or I could say, this sliced onion was the will of God. But really does it matter who did what? The believer of almighty would say God did it. The atheist would say I did it. But in the end, the onion was in fact, guess? ...sliced. Now this is a neutral situation and presents no opportunity for the ...slicer to use the concepts to the advantage.( More on this later.) I think there is no purpose of discussing things like these. There is no right answer when it comes to picking a side. They are two sides of a coin. If your coin is standing on the edge, it is unstable so, you will switch between the concepts depending on the situation. I think keeping your coin standing is better then having a side facing up all the time. I think this is what the Gurus were aiming for, by taking both sides! This switch is required for balance in life! You have to know what side to tip the coin over for different situations to get the results. Let me present another example of where and how to use the concepts to your advantage: [U]Getting an A+ on the report card[/U] :advocate: The student could either be like that emoticon and get filled with pride, causing him/her to fall on the next test. Or he/she could keep pride away from him/her and chill, which makes him/her do better on the next test. Now in this case, if the student says I did it, I, I, I, not you! Then pride will result. If the student says it is God's Will, then pride is no more. YAY!:) The student uses the concepts to his/her advantage and tips the coin to reveal God's will causing him to do better. However, getting a A+ might not fill the student with pride, rather it might motivate him/her. In this case, saying I can do it! would result in a better output next time, rather than saying oh, it was jsut how God intended it, he might not be so graceful next time. Of course, however, the point is to obtain a positive mindset ([I]chardi kala [/I]attitude), and through which ever way one can obtain that mindset, one should continue on that way. Bhagat Singh [/QUOTE]
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