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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 90659" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>sainty ji</p><p></p><p>As I said in an earlier post. This topic is one of my favorite ones. Before launching off on reactions to the Law of Karma and free will in Sikhism, it would be good to ponder this shabad. It always helps me put my thoughts into perspective. </p><p></p><p style="text-align: center"> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਜਾਨੀ ਘਤਿ ਚਲਾਇਆ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਆਇਆ ਰੁੰਨੇ ਵੀਰ ਸਬਾਏ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">jaanee ghath chalaaeiaa likhiaa aaeiaa runnae veer sabaaeae ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">This dear soul is driven off, when the pre-ordained Order is received, and all the relatives cry out in mourning.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਕਾਂਇਆ ਹੰਸ ਥੀਆ ਵੇਛੋੜਾ ਜਾਂ ਦਿਨ ਪੁੰਨੇ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਏ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">kaaneiaa hans thheeaa vaeshhorraa jaan dhin punnae maeree maaeae ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">The body and the swan-soul are separated, when one's days are past and done, O my mother.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਜੇਹਾ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤੇਹਾ ਪਾਇਆ ਜੇਹਾ ਪੁਰਬਿ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">jaehaa likhiaa thaehaa paaeiaa jaehaa purab kamaaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">As is one's pre-ordained Destiny, so does one receive, according to one's past actions.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਧੰਨੁ ਸਿਰੰਦਾ ਸਚਾ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਜਗੁ ਧੰਧੈ ਲਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">dhhann sirandhaa sachaa paathisaahu jin jag dhhandhhai laaeiaa ||1||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Blessed is the Creator, the True King, who has linked the whole world to its tasks. ||1||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਿਮਰਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਸਭਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਪਇਆਣਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">saahib simarahu maerae bhaaeeho sabhanaa eaehu paeiaanaa ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Meditate in remembrance on the Lord and Master, O my Siblings of Destiny; everyone has to </span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">pass this way.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਏਥੈ ਧੰਧਾ ਕੂੜਾ ਚਾਰਿ ਦਿਹਾ ਆਗੈ ਸਰਪਰ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">eaethhai dhhandhhaa koorraa chaar dhihaa aagai sarapar jaanaa ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">These false entanglements last for only a few days; then, one must surely move on to the world hereafter.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਆਗੈ ਸਰਪਰ ਜਾਣਾ ਜਿਉ ਮਿਹਮਾਣਾ ਕਾਹੇ ਗਾਰਬੁ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">aagai sarapar jaanaa jio mihamaanaa kaahae gaarab keejai ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">He must surely move on to the world hereafter, like a guest; so why does he indulge in ego?</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਜਿਤੁ ਸੇਵਿਐ ਦਰਗਹ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਕਾ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">jith saeviai dharageh sukh paaeeai naam thisai kaa leejai ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Chant the Name of the Lord; serving Him, you shall obtain peace in His Court.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਆਗੈ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮੂਲੇ ਸਿਰਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਿਹਾਣਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">aagai hukam n chalai moolae sir sir kiaa vihaanaa ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">In the world hereafter, no one's commands will be obeyed. According to their actions, each and every person proceeds.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਿਮਰਿਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਸਭਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਪਇਆਣਾ ॥੨॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">saahib simarihu maerae bhaaeeho sabhanaa eaehu paeiaanaa ||2||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Meditate in remembrance on the Lord and Master, O my Siblings of Destiny; everyone has to </span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">pass this way. ||2||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੰਮ੍ਰਥ ਸੋ ਥੀਐ ਹੀਲੜਾ ਏਹੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੋ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">jo this bhaavai sanmrathh so thheeai heelarraa eaehu sansaaro ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਮਹੀਅਲਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਾਚੜਾ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰੋ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">jal thhal meheeal rav rehiaa saacharraa sirajanehaaro ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">The True Creator Lord is pervading and permeating the water, the land and the air.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> ਸਾਚਾ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰੋ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰੋ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">saachaa sirajanehaaro alakh apaaro thaa kaa anth n paaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">The True Creator Lord is invisible and infinite; His limits cannot be found.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਆਇਆ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਸਫਲੁ ਭਇਆ ਹੈ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਜਿਨੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">aaeiaa thin kaa safal bhaeiaa hai eik man jinee dhhiaaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Fruitful is the coming of those, who meditate single-mindedly on Him.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਢਾਹੇ ਢਾਹਿ ਉਸਾਰੇ ਆਪੇ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਵਾਰਣਹਾਰੋ ॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">dtaahae dtaahi ousaarae aapae hukam savaaranehaaro ||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">He destroys, and having destroyed, He creates; by His Order, He adorns us.</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span> <span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"> </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੰਮ੍ਰਥ ਸੋ ਥੀਐ ਹੀਲੜਾ ਏਹੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੋ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">jo this bhaavai sanmrathh so thheeai heelarraa eaehu sansaaro ||3||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen">Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him. ||3||</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span></p> <p style="text-align: center"><span style="color: DarkOliveGreen"></span><p style="text-align: left">IMHO Guru Nanak is saying a lot about karma and our pre-ordained destiny in the shabad. But we have to take care not to over-simplify what he is saying. Look at the last line - <span style="color: DarkRed">jo this bhaavai sanmrathh so thheeai heelarraa eaehu sansaaro ||3|| Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him. ||3|| <span style="color: Black">This line is stated twice in the shabad. Is Guruji giving us something to think about?</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">We have two ideas side by side in the last line. One idea is about His Hukam; the other is about the opportunity we have to choose. Things are never as simple as the Law of Karma or giving in and becoming passive. These two ideas work together. His will and our effort. </span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black"></span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">The context for understanding is also very specific: </span></span><span style="color: Indigo">saahib simarahu maerae bhaaeeho sabhanaa eaehu paeiaanaa || Meditate in remembrance on the Lord and Master, O my Siblings of Destiny; everyone has to </span><span style="color: Indigo">pass this way. </span><span style="color: Indigo"> eaethhai dhhandhhaa koorraa chaar dhihaa aagai sarapar jaanaa || These false entanglements last for only a few days; then, one must surely move on to the world hereafter.</span><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DarkRed"><span style="color: Black">This shabad has been with me a lot lately. I have shared it with forum member pk70. The husband of a close friend is near death, and this shabad puts that reality into perspective. Guru Nanak is giving us the key to understanding our relationship with life, with death, and with the Satguru. Every single line of this shabad is saying something about that connection - His Will, our Actions. </span> </span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="color: DarkRed"></span></p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 90659, member: 35"] sainty ji As I said in an earlier post. This topic is one of my favorite ones. Before launching off on reactions to the Law of Karma and free will in Sikhism, it would be good to ponder this shabad. It always helps me put my thoughts into perspective. [CENTER] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]ਜਾਨੀ ਘਤਿ ਚਲਾਇਆ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਆਇਆ ਰੁੰਨੇ ਵੀਰ ਸਬਾਏ ॥ jaanee ghath chalaaeiaa likhiaa aaeiaa runnae veer sabaaeae || This dear soul is driven off, when the pre-ordained Order is received, and all the relatives cry out in mourning. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਕਾਂਇਆ ਹੰਸ ਥੀਆ ਵੇਛੋੜਾ ਜਾਂ ਦਿਨ ਪੁੰਨੇ ਮੇਰੀ ਮਾਏ ॥ kaaneiaa hans thheeaa vaeshhorraa jaan dhin punnae maeree maaeae || The body and the swan-soul are separated, when one's days are past and done, O my mother. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਜੇਹਾ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਤੇਹਾ ਪਾਇਆ ਜੇਹਾ ਪੁਰਬਿ ਕਮਾਇਆ ॥ jaehaa likhiaa thaehaa paaeiaa jaehaa purab kamaaeiaa || As is one's pre-ordained Destiny, so does one receive, according to one's past actions. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਧੰਨੁ ਸਿਰੰਦਾ ਸਚਾ ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਜਗੁ ਧੰਧੈ ਲਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ dhhann sirandhaa sachaa paathisaahu jin jag dhhandhhai laaeiaa ||1|| Blessed is the Creator, the True King, who has linked the whole world to its tasks. ||1|| [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਿਮਰਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਸਭਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਪਇਆਣਾ ॥ saahib simarahu maerae bhaaeeho sabhanaa eaehu paeiaanaa || Meditate in remembrance on the Lord and Master, O my Siblings of Destiny; everyone has to [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]pass this way. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਏਥੈ ਧੰਧਾ ਕੂੜਾ ਚਾਰਿ ਦਿਹਾ ਆਗੈ ਸਰਪਰ ਜਾਣਾ ॥ eaethhai dhhandhhaa koorraa chaar dhihaa aagai sarapar jaanaa || These false entanglements last for only a few days; then, one must surely move on to the world hereafter. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਆਗੈ ਸਰਪਰ ਜਾਣਾ ਜਿਉ ਮਿਹਮਾਣਾ ਕਾਹੇ ਗਾਰਬੁ ਕੀਜੈ ॥ aagai sarapar jaanaa jio mihamaanaa kaahae gaarab keejai || He must surely move on to the world hereafter, like a guest; so why does he indulge in ego? [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਜਿਤੁ ਸੇਵਿਐ ਦਰਗਹ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਈਐ ਨਾਮੁ ਤਿਸੈ ਕਾ ਲੀਜੈ ॥ jith saeviai dharageh sukh paaeeai naam thisai kaa leejai || Chant the Name of the Lord; serving Him, you shall obtain peace in His Court. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਆਗੈ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮੂਲੇ ਸਿਰਿ ਸਿਰਿ ਕਿਆ ਵਿਹਾਣਾ ॥ aagai hukam n chalai moolae sir sir kiaa vihaanaa || In the world hereafter, no one's commands will be obeyed. According to their actions, each and every person proceeds. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਸਾਹਿਬੁ ਸਿਮਰਿਹੁ ਮੇਰੇ ਭਾਈਹੋ ਸਭਨਾ ਏਹੁ ਪਇਆਣਾ ॥੨॥ saahib simarihu maerae bhaaeeho sabhanaa eaehu paeiaanaa ||2|| Meditate in remembrance on the Lord and Master, O my Siblings of Destiny; everyone has to [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen]pass this way. ||2|| [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੰਮ੍ਰਥ ਸੋ ਥੀਐ ਹੀਲੜਾ ਏਹੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੋ ॥ jo this bhaavai sanmrathh so thheeai heelarraa eaehu sansaaro || Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਜਲਿ ਥਲਿ ਮਹੀਅਲਿ ਰਵਿ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਾਚੜਾ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰੋ ॥ jal thhal meheeal rav rehiaa saacharraa sirajanehaaro || The True Creator Lord is pervading and permeating the water, the land and the air. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] [/COLOR][COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਸਾਚਾ ਸਿਰਜਣਹਾਰੋ ਅਲਖ ਅਪਾਰੋ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਅੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ॥ saachaa sirajanehaaro alakh apaaro thaa kaa anth n paaeiaa || The True Creator Lord is invisible and infinite; His limits cannot be found. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਆਇਆ ਤਿਨ ਕਾ ਸਫਲੁ ਭਇਆ ਹੈ ਇਕ ਮਨਿ ਜਿਨੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥ aaeiaa thin kaa safal bhaeiaa hai eik man jinee dhhiaaeiaa || Fruitful is the coming of those, who meditate single-mindedly on Him. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਢਾਹੇ ਢਾਹਿ ਉਸਾਰੇ ਆਪੇ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਸਵਾਰਣਹਾਰੋ ॥ dtaahae dtaahi ousaarae aapae hukam savaaranehaaro || He destroys, and having destroyed, He creates; by His Order, He adorns us. [/COLOR] [COLOR=DarkOliveGreen] ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੰਮ੍ਰਥ ਸੋ ਥੀਐ ਹੀਲੜਾ ਏਹੁ ਸੰਸਾਰੋ ॥੩॥ jo this bhaavai sanmrathh so thheeai heelarraa eaehu sansaaro ||3|| Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him. ||3|| [/COLOR][LEFT]IMHO Guru Nanak is saying a lot about karma and our pre-ordained destiny in the shabad. But we have to take care not to over-simplify what he is saying. Look at the last line - [COLOR=DarkRed]jo this bhaavai sanmrathh so thheeai heelarraa eaehu sansaaro ||3|| Whatever pleases the Almighty Lord, that alone comes to pass; this world is an opportunity to please Him. ||3|| [COLOR=Black]This line is stated twice in the shabad. Is Guruji giving us something to think about?[/COLOR] [COLOR=Black]We have two ideas side by side in the last line. One idea is about His Hukam; the other is about the opportunity we have to choose. Things are never as simple as the Law of Karma or giving in and becoming passive. These two ideas work together. His will and our effort. The context for understanding is also very specific: [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=Indigo]saahib simarahu maerae bhaaeeho sabhanaa eaehu paeiaanaa || Meditate in remembrance on the Lord and Master, O my Siblings of Destiny; everyone has to [/COLOR][COLOR=Indigo]pass this way. [/COLOR][COLOR=Indigo] eaethhai dhhandhhaa koorraa chaar dhihaa aagai sarapar jaanaa || These false entanglements last for only a few days; then, one must surely move on to the world hereafter.[/COLOR][COLOR=DarkRed] [COLOR=Black]This shabad has been with me a lot lately. I have shared it with forum member pk70. The husband of a close friend is near death, and this shabad puts that reality into perspective. Guru Nanak is giving us the key to understanding our relationship with life, with death, and with the Satguru. Every single line of this shabad is saying something about that connection - His Will, our Actions. [/COLOR] [/COLOR][/LEFT] [/CENTER] [/QUOTE]
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