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God's Will And The Law Of Karma
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<blockquote data-quote="Saint Soldier" data-source="post: 90548" data-attributes="member: 6526"><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Sat shri akal,<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Following is what Guru nanak said about the will of God and the Law of karma-</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">About will of God:-</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Whatever happens is all in god's will</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak /gauri,151</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">That alone happens which pleases god nothing is in the hands of man who is completely helpless</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">--Guru nanak/asa,417</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: black"></span> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Man comes and goes by god's will which pervades everywhere and everything for all time</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/ gauri,151</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Pain and pleasure are part of gods will</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/ gauri,223</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Men should live as god wills</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/siri,25</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">He who submits to the will of god,is accepted and treasured by him</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/asa,421</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Liberation from bondage comes by god's grace none else has any say(i.e. can intercede)in this</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/jap,5</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">He who walks in the will of god, faces no impendiment</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/asa,421</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">whatever God willed,has come to pass;</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">For there is no doer except him.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/gauri,154</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">One is approved only if one submits oneself to the will of the lord-commandant</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">in whose court only truth is accepted</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/maru,1090</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">God does whatever he wills</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/asa,475</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">About Law of karma:-</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">One reaps what one sows.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">One eats from what one earns</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/suhi,730</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">One receives in accordance with what one does.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">As one sows ,so one eats</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/danasri,662</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Hear me,lord!</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Man's life proceeds</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">as his accumulated actions determine.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">He receives joy or sorrow,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">in accordance with </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">what his past deeds have earned him.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">but all is good that comes from you.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/tukhari,1107</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">All are yoked to god's will,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">and will be adjudged </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">according to their deeds</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/basant,1169</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">The record of our good and bad deeds</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">is scrutinised</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">in the presence of the supreme Judge.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">We will be allowed to dwell </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">near Him or far away </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">as a result of our adjudged actions.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">--Guru nanak/jap,8</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">Now the question arises what determines our fate Will of God or the Law of karma.??let us try to find the answer with the above sayings of Guru nanak pita.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">That alone happens which pleases god nothing is in the hands of man who is completely helpless</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">--Guru nanak/asa,417</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">One receives in accordance with what one does.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">As one sows ,so one eats</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">--Guru nanak/danasri,662</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">arent the above two contradicting statements in one Guru ji is saying that everything happens with the will of God and man can do nothing on the other hand in the second he says man gets according to his deeds this is confusing:hmm: allright lets move on.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">He who walks in the will of god, faces no impendiment</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">--Guru nanak/asa,421</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue"></span><span style="color: blue">All are yoked to god's will,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">and will be adjudged </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">according to their deeds</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">--Guru nanak/basant,1169</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue"><span style="color: black">hmm im geting it now.our subjection to God's will:hmm:</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue"></span><span style="color: blue">Pain and pleasure are part of gods will</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">--Guru nanak/ gauri,223</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">Hear me,lord!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">Man's life proceeds</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">as his accumulated actions determine.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">He receives joy or sorrow,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">in accordance with </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">what his past deeds have earned him.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">but all is good that comes from you.</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff">--Guru nanak/tukhari,1107</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #0000ff"></span>again both of them go against each other.:shock:</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">now let us try to understand for ourselves(thats because we hav our own brains)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">and we shall get some hints from Guru ji as we move on</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">now,</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">whatever God willed,has come to pass;</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">For there is no doer except him.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">--Guru nanak/gauri,154</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">something in this thought, yes Guru ji says that God is the only doer that is the situation we are in is created by god and the reaction to that situation is our karma(contrary to the buddhist say that karmas are action,but buddist intellectuals dont face such questions as they dont hav to answer about the will of God:shutup<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">But what then determines the will of god here is something from Guru ji</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">God does whatever he wills</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: blue">--Guru nanak/asa,475</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: black">so God does as he wills.:hmm:</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">So finally we got our answer that God is the only doer and our karmas are simply reaction to his will which further decides how good or bad action we r doing .:yes:</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'">hey im still not satisfied:crazy:, hey guys why dont all of you present your views over this. </span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #ff0000">~~sainty~~</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"><span style="color: #ff0000">~~wald Guru Nanak~~</span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Saint Soldier, post: 90548, member: 6526"] [FONT=Comic Sans MS]Sat shri akal,:D[/FONT] [FONT=Comic Sans MS] Following is what Guru nanak said about the will of God and the Law of karma- About will of God:- Whatever happens is all in god's will --Guru nanak /gauri,151 [COLOR=black][COLOR=black]That alone happens which pleases god nothing is in the hands of man who is completely helpless[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]--Guru nanak/asa,417[/COLOR] [/COLOR] Man comes and goes by god's will which pervades everywhere and everything for all time --Guru nanak/ gauri,151 Pain and pleasure are part of gods will --Guru nanak/ gauri,223 Men should live as god wills --Guru nanak/siri,25 He who submits to the will of god,is accepted and treasured by him --Guru nanak/asa,421 Liberation from bondage comes by god's grace none else has any say(i.e. can intercede)in this --Guru nanak/jap,5 He who walks in the will of god, faces no impendiment --Guru nanak/asa,421 whatever God willed,has come to pass; For there is no doer except him. --Guru nanak/gauri,154 One is approved only if one submits oneself to the will of the lord-commandant in whose court only truth is accepted --Guru nanak/maru,1090 God does whatever he wills --Guru nanak/asa,475 About Law of karma:- One reaps what one sows. One eats from what one earns --Guru nanak/suhi,730 One receives in accordance with what one does. As one sows ,so one eats --Guru nanak/danasri,662 Hear me,lord! Man's life proceeds as his accumulated actions determine. He receives joy or sorrow, in accordance with what his past deeds have earned him. but all is good that comes from you. --Guru nanak/tukhari,1107 All are yoked to god's will, and will be adjudged according to their deeds --Guru nanak/basant,1169 The record of our good and bad deeds is scrutinised in the presence of the supreme Judge. We will be allowed to dwell near Him or far away as a result of our adjudged actions. --Guru nanak/jap,8 Now the question arises what determines our fate Will of God or the Law of karma.??let us try to find the answer with the above sayings of Guru nanak pita. [COLOR=blue]That alone happens which pleases god nothing is in the hands of man who is completely helpless[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]--Guru nanak/asa,417[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]One receives in accordance with what one does.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]As one sows ,so one eats[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]--Guru nanak/danasri,662[/COLOR] arent the above two contradicting statements in one Guru ji is saying that everything happens with the will of God and man can do nothing on the other hand in the second he says man gets according to his deeds this is confusing:hmm: allright lets move on. [COLOR=blue]He who walks in the will of god, faces no impendiment --Guru nanak/asa,421 [/COLOR][COLOR=blue]All are yoked to god's will, and will be adjudged according to their deeds --Guru nanak/basant,1169 [COLOR=black]hmm im geting it now.our subjection to God's will:hmm:[/COLOR] [/COLOR][COLOR=blue]Pain and pleasure are part of gods will[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]--Guru nanak/ gauri,223[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][/COLOR] [COLOR=#0000ff]Hear me,lord! Man's life proceeds as his accumulated actions determine. He receives joy or sorrow, in accordance with what his past deeds have earned him. but all is good that comes from you. --Guru nanak/tukhari,1107 [/COLOR]again both of them go against each other.:shock: now let us try to understand for ourselves(thats because we hav our own brains) and we shall get some hints from Guru ji as we move on now, [COLOR=blue]whatever God willed,has come to pass;[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]For there is no doer except him.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]--Guru nanak/gauri,154[/COLOR] something in this thought, yes Guru ji says that God is the only doer that is the situation we are in is created by god and the reaction to that situation is our karma(contrary to the buddhist say that karmas are action,but buddist intellectuals dont face such questions as they dont hav to answer about the will of God:shutup:) But what then determines the will of god here is something from Guru ji [COLOR=blue]God does whatever he wills[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]--Guru nanak/asa,475[/COLOR] [COLOR=black]so God does as he wills.:hmm:[/COLOR] So finally we got our answer that God is the only doer and our karmas are simply reaction to his will which further decides how good or bad action we r doing .:yes: hey im still not satisfied:crazy:, hey guys why dont all of you present your views over this. [COLOR=#ff0000][/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]~~sainty~~[/COLOR] [COLOR=#ff0000]~~wald Guru Nanak~~[/COLOR] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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