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Islam Doesn’t Islam promote violence, bloodshed and brutality.

Discussion in 'Interfaith Dialogues' started by muslim, Feb 17, 2005.

  1. muslim

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    Heres a common misconception made about Islam and heres the answer.

    A few selected verses from the Qur’an are often misquoted to perpetuate the myth that Islam promotes violence, and exhorts its followers to kill those outside the pale of Islam.

    1. Verse from Surah Taubah
    The following verse from Surah Taubah is very often quoted by critics of Islam, to show that Islam promotes violence, bloodshed and brutality:

    "Kill the mushriqeen (pagans, polytheists, kuffar) where ever you find them."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]


    2. Context of verse is during battlefield
    Critics of Islam actually quote this verse out of context. In order to understand the context, we need to read from verse 1 of this surah. It says that there was a peace treaty between the Muslims and the Mushriqs (pagans) of Makkah. This treaty was violated by the Mushriqs of Makkah. A period of four months was given to the Mushriqs of Makkah to make amends. Otherwise war would be declared against them. Verse 5 of Surah Taubah says:

    "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practise regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is oft-forgiving, Most merciful."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:5]


    This verse is quoted during a battle.

    3. Example of war between America and Vietnam
    We know that America was once at war with Vietnam. Suppose the President of America or the General of the American Army told the American soldiers during the war: "Wherever you find the Vietnamese, kill them". Today if I say that the American President said, "Wherever you find Vietnamese, kill them" without giving the context, I will make him sound like a butcher. But if I quote him in context, that he said it during a war, it will sound very logical, as he was trying to boost the morale of the American soldiers during the war.

    4. Verse 9:5 quoted to boost morale of Muslims during battle

    Similarly in Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 the Qur’an says, "Kill the Mushriqs where ever you find them", during a battle to boost the morale of the Muslim soldiers. What the Qur’an is telling Muslim soldiers is, don’t be afraid during battle; wherever you find the enemies kill them.

    5. Shourie jumps from verse 5 to verse 7
    Arun Shourie is one of the staunchest critics of Islam in India. He quotes the same verse, Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 5 in his book ‘The World of Fatwahs’, on page 572. After quoting verse 5 he jumps to verse 7 of Surah Taubah. Any sensible person will realise that he has skipped verse 6.

    6. Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer
    Surah Taubah chapter 9 verse 6 gives the answer to the allegation that Islam promotes violence, brutality and bloodshed. It says:

    "If one amongst the pagans ask thee for asylum,grant it to him, so that he may hear the word of Allah; and then escort him to where he can be secure that is because they are men without knowledge."
    [Al-Qur’an 9:6]


    The Qur’an not only says that a Mushriq seeking asylum during the battle should be granted refuge, but also that he should be escorted to a secure place. In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?

    This is exactly what Allah (swt) says in the Glorious Qur’an to promote peace in the world.
     
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  3. Gyani Jarnail Singh

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    any real quotes from President Bush, PM Churchill, even Stalin Lenin..etc actually telling his men" to go KILL every Vietcong/German/American..etc etc you SEE..." No such quotes exist because even in a secret Briefing no sane person will say such things or order his men to KILL ALL...such and such even in the heat of Battle....This actually translates to TAKE NO PRISONERS..and Hitler may have said it...not anyone else....or Maybe even Jenghiz Khan, the Vikings barbarians all did this.

    second thought.."Give asylum, take to a SECURE PLACE..etc is actually about:

    IF the enmy surrenders, take him prisoner, take him to a secure place and INDOCTRINATE/CONVERT him to "Allah's Religion" because they are men "without knowledge"...meaning "Give them "Knowledge of Allah"



    Look at Iraq... the Americans gave "asylum" to thsoe Iraqis who surrendered, then took them to a SECURE PLACE called Guatanao Bay....and are now in the Process of GIVING THEM "KNOWLEDGE" for they are men "without Knowledge"..To me the Americans are DOING EXACTLY as the KORAN Orders..BUT not asingle Muslim the World over is happy ?? Why ??



    IF this verse is ABOUT WAR/BATTLEFIELD..then it is eminently CLEAR that SECURE PLACE is a POW CAMP...and nothing else.



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    Muslim writes:

    In the present international scenario, even a kind, peace-loving army General, during a battle, may let the enemy soldiers go free, if they want peace. But which army General will ever tell his soldiers, that if the enemy soldiers want peace during a battle, don’t just let them go free, but also escort them to a place of security?


    Didnt Genral JS Arora deal this kind and gentle way with the Million pakistani Soldiers captured from Bangladesh..in the War of Bangladesh Independence?? All the Pakistani soldiers were allowed to GO back to pakistan.

    BUT Strangely the Muslim pakistani Soldiers WERE NOT so KIND and gentle with the Bangladeshis..soldiers/civilians/women and children....ask any Bangla man woman or child what he thinks of the Pakistani Soldiers !!!! MUSLIMS DIDNT FOLLOW the KORAN while TREATING FELLOW MUSLIMS ?? is this a Contradiction or Contradistinction or what new term ?? even the Americans never treated the hated vietcong this "inhumane way"...

    jarnail Singh

     
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    gyani ji,

    i think you are living in a dreamworld if you are going to idolize the behavior of the indian army, even if many of them are sikhs. first of all, the pakistanis sent back were drugged and in my cases severely abused by the mukti bahani force (or whatever its called). secondly, what about the glorious record of the sikhs in the similar little stunt the indian army tried to pull in sri lanka??? i bet you never heard of the countless rapes prepetrated and will be surprised to know why sri lankans don't hold sikhs in high regard. and finally, what about the various tortures inflicted by sikhs upon innocent kashmiris and OTHER sikhs during the khalistan campaigns.

    What about minister Badal? Is K P S Gill not a turbaned sikh?? the man who can be single handedly held responsible for wiping out an entire generation of sikh youth in the majha region of punjab. go read up on accounts of prisoner abuse by Punjab Police, which is composed primarily of turbaned sikhs.

    have a nice day
     
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    Please provide more references. I have little information about this.

    Regards.
     
  7. vijaydeep Singh

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    Re: Doesn’t Islam promote violence, bloodshed and brutality.

    Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh

    Well!

    Das can not forget that one of his brother like friend Capt Vijayant Thaper was creamted by gogles in his eyes as eyes were removed.Kargill war.

    Many of our men were being killed after genitals being chopped.Kargill War.

    Wait many of BSF personal by Bangldeshi BDR were killed by Halal fashion.And returend to us like animal.

    Coming to KPS Gill.this guy did not do anything.It was Indian Armies operation Rakshak which actually won the heart of Punjab and violence was shunned.

    In Shri Lanka.(As Das lives with a Shri Lanakan Family) There is no enimity between Tamils or Singhals with Indian Army.But with Tamil Rebels Indian Army only restores to violence when offended.

    Same is in Kashmeer.Rather there are Few So Called Muslim elements with Indian Army who are often chareged with Human right abuse.

    In Somalia or other places where Indian Army has went it won the heart of locals.In Somalia Pakistani Army was killed by locals but Indian Army was respected there too.

    Be it US or UK or Indian Or Russian Army.They too do some heavy Handedness but that is nothing infront that which is done to provoke them by Jeehadi elements.

    Jeehadis are on wrong side. So they fear defeat as they lack self confidance.They are cowards.So as they are lazy they try to evade direct War.So they do all inhuman treatment tocaptives just to let the opposite party be affraid and do not come to fight them.

    As far as Sikhs are concerned.They have an opposite effect.They will fight with more power to avenge and punish the evil doer.

    Degh,Tegh Fateh

    Victory to one with sword(of courage) And Pot(of mercy to feed hungery).

    this is moto of Sikh part of Indian Army.
    (Das again is repeating that for Das as well his types of Sikhs there is no difference between Islam or Sikh Panth,what das is trying to convey is that there are some idiotic Jehadi element(Turku Kana) in Hindus,In Sikhs or In Muslims they themselve do all type of inhuman acts,But when lawmakers take law in there hand to tackle the mence created by these Turku Kana then very same people harp on human right abuse.

    How can by the way same Jeehadi of Iraq can go to UNOto seek justice for Human right violation when the same person could be responsible to bomb or to kill UNO's personal in Iraq)
     

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