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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 170541" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>RobinKKcji</p><p></p><p>There are as many interpretations of the SGGS as there are Deras and Babas. Some may tell you to find a Guru or an elder to explain Bani to you, my own personal opinion is that this is not a great idea, all you will do is embrace anothers understanding. I think it is most important to form your own opinion and understanding myself, however, the ground rules are important. </p><p></p><p>Firstly, Who is this Dharmraj fellow you have mentioned? the relevant section states</p><p></p><p></p><p>ਅਨ ਕਾਏ ਰਾਤੜਿਆ ਵਾਟ ਦੁਹੇਲੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ अन काए रातड़िआ वाट दुहेली राम ॥ An kā▫e rāṯ▫ṛi▫ā vāt ḏuhelī rām. Why are you imbued with the love of another? That path is very dangerous.</p><p>ਪਾਪ ਕਮਾਵਦਿਆ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਬੇਲੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ पाप कमावदिआ तेरा कोइ न बेली राम ॥ Pāp kamāvḏi▫ā ṯerā ko▫e na belī rām. O sinner, no one is your friend.</p><p>ਕੋਏ ਨ ਬੇਲੀ ਹੋਇ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਦਾ ਪਛੋਤਾਵਹੇ ॥ कोए न बेली होइ तेरा सदा पछोतावहे ॥ Ko▫e na belī ho▫e ṯerā saḏā pacẖẖoṯāvhe. No one shall be your friend, and you shall forever regret your actions.</p><p>ਗੁਨ ਗੁਪਾਲ ਨ ਜਪਹਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਕਦਹੁ ਸੇ ਦਿਹ ਆਵਹੇ ॥ गुन गुपाल न जपहि रसना फिरि कदहु से दिह आवहे ॥ Gun gupāl na jāpėh rasnā fir kaḏahu se ḏih āvhe. You have not chanted with your tongue the Praises of the Sustainer of the World; when will these days come again?</p><p>ਤਰਵਰ ਵਿਛੁੰਨੇ ਨਹ ਪਾਤ ਜੁੜਤੇ ਜਮ ਮਗਿ ਗਉਨੁ ਇਕੇਲੀ ॥ तरवर विछुंने नह पात जुड़ते जम मगि गउनु इकेली ॥ Ŧarvar vicẖẖune nah pāṯ juṛ▫ṯe jam mag ga▫un ikelī. The leaf, separated from the branch, shall not be joined with it again; all alone, it falls on its way to death.</p><p>ਬਿਨਵੰਤ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਮ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸਦਾ ਫਿਰਤ ਦੁਹੇਲੀ ॥੧॥ बिनवंत नानक बिनु नाम हरि के सदा फिरत दुहेली ॥१॥ Binvanṯ Nānak bin nām har ke saḏā firaṯ ḏuhelī. ||1|| Prays Nanak, without the Lord's Name, the soul wanders, forever suffering. ||1||</p><p>ਤੂੰ ਵਲਵੰਚ ਲੂਕਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਭ ਜਾਣੈ ਜਾਣੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ तूं वलवंच लूकि करहि सभ जाणै जाणी राम ॥ Ŧūʼn valvancẖ lūk karahi sabẖ jāṇai jāṇī rām. You are practicing deception secretly, but the Lord, the Knower, knows all.</p><p>ਲੇਖਾ ਧਰਮ ਭਇਆ ਤਿਲ ਪੀੜੇ ਘਾਣੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ लेखा धरम भइआ तिल पीड़े घाणी राम ॥ Lekẖā ḏẖaram bẖa▫i▫ā ṯil pīṛe gẖāṇī rām. When the Righteous Judge of Dharma reads your account, you shall be squeezed like a sesame seed in the oil-press.</p><p>ਕਿਰਤ ਕਮਾਣੇ ਦੁਖ ਸਹੁ ਪਰਾਣੀ ਅਨਿਕ ਜੋਨਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਇਆ ॥ किरत कमाणे दुख सहु पराणी अनिक जोनि भ्रमाइआ ॥ Kiraṯ kamāṇe ḏukẖ saho parāṇī anik jon bẖarmā▫i▫ā. For the actions you committed, you shall suffer the penalty; you shall be consigned to countless reincarnations.</p><p>ਮਹਾ ਮੋਹਨੀ ਸੰਗਿ ਰਾਤਾ ਰਤਨ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥ महा मोहनी संगि राता रतन जनमु गवाइआ ॥ Mahā mohnī sang rāṯā raṯan janam gavā▫i▫ā. Imbued with the love of Maya, the great enticer, you shall lose the jewel of this human life.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Now Sikhism , in my view, is not that concerned with what happens after death, so everything you read concerns the short life we have here on Earth. That is what should concern us, our living life. </p><p></p><p>On that basis, I find the connection with the Creator the most important thing in my daily life, I may have a big car, love for women, drink, drugs, money, power, but without that connection, I will never find happiness, peace and contentment. If in order to find these habits, I also have to deceive and lie to others, if my entire life is built on a tissue of deception, then I have nothing, I may think I have everything, but they are just pointless baubles without the connection. At some point, and I can verify this from my own experience, the whole pack of cards comes crashing down, your life, built on ego, pride, becomes worthless, everything you placed value on is worth nothing, and you see first hand the worth of your life, and it is nothing. Your own actions have judged you, and your own actions sentence you to a living hell, no money, no big car, disease, a worn, tired and damaged body, no influence, no friends, a husk of who you were, who you thought you were, yes, 'the fall' is like being squeezed through a mill, believe me, you dont have to wait till your dead to be squeezed like this, it happens right here, on earth, and you either at that point accept the value of connection, or you go right back to your old ways, and the circle starts again. If you can manage to understand what is going, you can break this cycle, you can stop the same things happening to you over and over again, by chasing the connection instead. Once you have broken this, you eventually find the peace, contentment and happiness is the connection, and once you have the connection, everything else is irrelevant. </p><p></p><p>hope that helps, my opinion only, now you need to form yours.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 170541, member: 14641"] RobinKKcji There are as many interpretations of the SGGS as there are Deras and Babas. Some may tell you to find a Guru or an elder to explain Bani to you, my own personal opinion is that this is not a great idea, all you will do is embrace anothers understanding. I think it is most important to form your own opinion and understanding myself, however, the ground rules are important. Firstly, Who is this Dharmraj fellow you have mentioned? the relevant section states ਅਨ ਕਾਏ ਰਾਤੜਿਆ ਵਾਟ ਦੁਹੇਲੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ अन काए रातड़िआ वाट दुहेली राम ॥ An kā▫e rāṯ▫ṛi▫ā vāt ḏuhelī rām. Why are you imbued with the love of another? That path is very dangerous. ਪਾਪ ਕਮਾਵਦਿਆ ਤੇਰਾ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਬੇਲੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ पाप कमावदिआ तेरा कोइ न बेली राम ॥ Pāp kamāvḏi▫ā ṯerā ko▫e na belī rām. O sinner, no one is your friend. ਕੋਏ ਨ ਬੇਲੀ ਹੋਇ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਦਾ ਪਛੋਤਾਵਹੇ ॥ कोए न बेली होइ तेरा सदा पछोतावहे ॥ Ko▫e na belī ho▫e ṯerā saḏā pacẖẖoṯāvhe. No one shall be your friend, and you shall forever regret your actions. ਗੁਨ ਗੁਪਾਲ ਨ ਜਪਹਿ ਰਸਨਾ ਫਿਰਿ ਕਦਹੁ ਸੇ ਦਿਹ ਆਵਹੇ ॥ गुन गुपाल न जपहि रसना फिरि कदहु से दिह आवहे ॥ Gun gupāl na jāpėh rasnā fir kaḏahu se ḏih āvhe. You have not chanted with your tongue the Praises of the Sustainer of the World; when will these days come again? ਤਰਵਰ ਵਿਛੁੰਨੇ ਨਹ ਪਾਤ ਜੁੜਤੇ ਜਮ ਮਗਿ ਗਉਨੁ ਇਕੇਲੀ ॥ तरवर विछुंने नह पात जुड़ते जम मगि गउनु इकेली ॥ Ŧarvar vicẖẖune nah pāṯ juṛ▫ṯe jam mag ga▫un ikelī. The leaf, separated from the branch, shall not be joined with it again; all alone, it falls on its way to death. ਬਿਨਵੰਤ ਨਾਨਕ ਬਿਨੁ ਨਾਮ ਹਰਿ ਕੇ ਸਦਾ ਫਿਰਤ ਦੁਹੇਲੀ ॥੧॥ बिनवंत नानक बिनु नाम हरि के सदा फिरत दुहेली ॥१॥ Binvanṯ Nānak bin nām har ke saḏā firaṯ ḏuhelī. ||1|| Prays Nanak, without the Lord's Name, the soul wanders, forever suffering. ||1|| ਤੂੰ ਵਲਵੰਚ ਲੂਕਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਸਭ ਜਾਣੈ ਜਾਣੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ तूं वलवंच लूकि करहि सभ जाणै जाणी राम ॥ Ŧūʼn valvancẖ lūk karahi sabẖ jāṇai jāṇī rām. You are practicing deception secretly, but the Lord, the Knower, knows all. ਲੇਖਾ ਧਰਮ ਭਇਆ ਤਿਲ ਪੀੜੇ ਘਾਣੀ ਰਾਮ ॥ लेखा धरम भइआ तिल पीड़े घाणी राम ॥ Lekẖā ḏẖaram bẖa▫i▫ā ṯil pīṛe gẖāṇī rām. When the Righteous Judge of Dharma reads your account, you shall be squeezed like a sesame seed in the oil-press. ਕਿਰਤ ਕਮਾਣੇ ਦੁਖ ਸਹੁ ਪਰਾਣੀ ਅਨਿਕ ਜੋਨਿ ਭ੍ਰਮਾਇਆ ॥ किरत कमाणे दुख सहु पराणी अनिक जोनि भ्रमाइआ ॥ Kiraṯ kamāṇe ḏukẖ saho parāṇī anik jon bẖarmā▫i▫ā. For the actions you committed, you shall suffer the penalty; you shall be consigned to countless reincarnations. ਮਹਾ ਮੋਹਨੀ ਸੰਗਿ ਰਾਤਾ ਰਤਨ ਜਨਮੁ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥ महा मोहनी संगि राता रतन जनमु गवाइआ ॥ Mahā mohnī sang rāṯā raṯan janam gavā▫i▫ā. Imbued with the love of Maya, the great enticer, you shall lose the jewel of this human life. Now Sikhism , in my view, is not that concerned with what happens after death, so everything you read concerns the short life we have here on Earth. That is what should concern us, our living life. On that basis, I find the connection with the Creator the most important thing in my daily life, I may have a big car, love for women, drink, drugs, money, power, but without that connection, I will never find happiness, peace and contentment. If in order to find these habits, I also have to deceive and lie to others, if my entire life is built on a tissue of deception, then I have nothing, I may think I have everything, but they are just pointless baubles without the connection. At some point, and I can verify this from my own experience, the whole pack of cards comes crashing down, your life, built on ego, pride, becomes worthless, everything you placed value on is worth nothing, and you see first hand the worth of your life, and it is nothing. Your own actions have judged you, and your own actions sentence you to a living hell, no money, no big car, disease, a worn, tired and damaged body, no influence, no friends, a husk of who you were, who you thought you were, yes, 'the fall' is like being squeezed through a mill, believe me, you dont have to wait till your dead to be squeezed like this, it happens right here, on earth, and you either at that point accept the value of connection, or you go right back to your old ways, and the circle starts again. If you can manage to understand what is going, you can break this cycle, you can stop the same things happening to you over and over again, by chasing the connection instead. Once you have broken this, you eventually find the peace, contentment and happiness is the connection, and once you have the connection, everything else is irrelevant. hope that helps, my opinion only, now you need to form yours. [/QUOTE]
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