Do You Think You Are Khalsa?

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Do You Think You Are a Khalsa? Please Share You Views...

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  2. No, I am not!

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  3. No, But I am trying

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  4. I am not Sure! I do not really know the answer!!

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  1. Veeru

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    Well folks,

    Many people refer to themselves as Khalsa. Some people even use Khalsa as their last name.

    Just wondering...

    First of all, do you even know what Khalsa is supposed to be?

    Second, is there supposed to be anyone better than Khalsa?

    Third, do you think you are a Khalsa?

    Finally, doesn't referring to yourself as Khalsa automatically make you not a Khalsa?


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  2. simpy

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    Respected PCJS Ji,

    Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, OUR FATHER named us khalsa.

    that's why we refer ourself KHALSA. and we obey our Guru's Word, with His grace.....

    how much ego you feed yourself when you tell your name to others, which most probably your parents gave you????????? or did you name yourself after evalutaing your qualities properly;)






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  3. Veeru

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    Ok so, you are saying that even though you don't possess qualities of a Khalsa, you call yourself Khalsa because Guru Gobind Singh Ji instructed you to do so...

    Do I understand it correctly?

    I am not sure if this is correct statement though...

    I don't think Guru Gobind Singh Ji ever encouraged anyone to refer to themselves as Khalsa. Instead, he "may have" referred to the others as Khalsa, not to himself...
     
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  4. simpy

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    Respected PCJS Ji,

    you can twist this statement to whatever is convienent to you, your choice:)

    parents name their children, and then they also instill good qualities in them, not just what their name is but everything possible.....

    Our Guru Ji, Our Father is always within us, correcting us, teaching us, guiding us, in the ROOP OF NAAM

    ijn kY hir nwmu visAw sd ihrdY hir nwmo iqn kMau rKxhwrw ]
    hir nwmu ipqw hir nwmo mwqw hir nwmu sKweI imqRü hmwrw ]
    hir nwvY nwil glw hir nwvY nwil msliq hir nwmu hmwrI krdw inq swrw ]
    hir nwmu hmwrI sMgiq Aiq ipAwrI hir nwmu kulu hir nwmu prvwrw ]
    jn nwnk kMau hir nwmu hir guir dIAw hir hliq pliq sdw kry insqwrw ]

    Guru Mere Sang Sadaa Hai Naalay


    forgive me please
     
  5. Veeru

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    I brought this up was because it seems like some people so busy trying to tell Sikhs that they are not Sikhs by trying to show them they don't have qualities of a Sikh.

    I personally don't care what you refer to yourself as. If it creates ego in you, then it beats the whole purpose. But I like to remind those who are so busy telling Sikhs that they are not Sikhs that they are not Khalsas at all and yet they refer to themselves as Khalsa.

    What's more sinful? Calling yourself a Sikh even though we might not be good Sikh or calling yourself a Khlasa when you know for sure you are not a Khalsa?

    A Sikh is a learner and a Khalsa who has spiritually perfected him/herself. So anybody who refers him/herself as a Sikh is a Sikh because a Sikh is simply someone who learns but not everybody who calls him/herself Khalsa is a Khalsa. In fact, anybody who refers to him/herself as Khalsa is not a Khalsa, just like a Guru wouldn't be a Guru if he referred to himself as Guru.

    So quit judging others, people...
     
  6. simpy

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    Respected PCJS Ji,

    Endless thanks for the reply….

    and thanks for judging your fellow members.

    i am not sure what is in all this for you but one thing is for sure that you are doing a great service to the human race BY POINTING OUT OTHERS SHORTCOMINGS. Keep up the good work….

    A good nice parupkaari human being like you can never refrain from telling others about their short falls-a great service you are doing. The more you do, the more others improve… Very beneficial for others…i don’t have words to thank you enough.

    Khalsa is Waheguru’s slave. Your act of kindness is helping a lot of us moors to become worthy of Waheguru’s grace/Guru’s grace, which no doubt is going to be by His Own Grace only. But your help is great in preparing us on our path to righteousness and i tell you- this help is priceless…. Endless thanks for inspecting and cleaning our filth.

    Getting slandered by others opens up a lot of fine and clean passages that lead to the state of pure consciousness. Your great service is like a ‘free of cost trash basket’ for everybody’s sins. Endless thanks for carrying the load of others trash on your shoulders and helping others in ‘burning away their demerits’. i am running out of words to appreciate your service to the humanity… we love you very much….

    Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Raam Das Ji De Bachan Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib De Panna # 775

    Awvho sMq jnhu gux gwvh goivMd kyry rwm ]
    gurmuiK imil rhIAY Gir vwjih sbd Gnyry rwm ]
    sbd Gnyry hir pRB qyry qU krqw sB QweI ]
    Aihinis jpI sdw swlwhI swc sbid ilv lweI ]
    Anidnu shij rhY rMig rwqw rwm nwmu ird pUjw ]
    nwnk gurmuiK eyku pCwxY Avru n jwxY dUjw ]1]
    sB mih riv rihAw so pRBu AMqrjwmI rwm ]
    gur sbid rvY riv rihAw so pRBu myrw suAwmI rwm ]
    pRBu myrw suAwmI AMqrjwmI Git Git rivAw soeI ]
    gurmiq scu pweIAY shij smweIAY iqsu ibnu Avru n koeI ]
    shjy gux gwvw jy pRB Bwvw Awpy ley imlwey ]
    nwnk so pRBu sbdy jwpY Aihinis nwmu iDAwey ]2]
    iehu jgo duqru mnmuKu pwir n pweI rwm ]
    AMqry haumY mmqw kwmu k®oDu cqurweI rwm ]
    AMqir cqurweI Qwie n pweI ibrQw jnmu gvwieAw ]
    jm mig duKu pwvY cotw KwvY AMiq gieAw pCuqwieAw ]
    ibnu nwvY ko bylI nwhI puqu kutMbu suqu BweI ]
    nwnk mwieAw mohu pswrw AwgY swiQ n jweI ]3]
    hau pUCau Apnw siqguru dwqw ikn ibiD duqru qrIAY rwm ]
    siqgur Bwie clhu jIviqAw iev mrIAY rwm ]
    jIviqAw mrIAY Baujlu qrIAY gurmuiK nwim smwvY ]
    pUrw purKu pwieAw vfBwgI sic nwim ilv lwvY ]
    miq prgwsu BeI mnu mwinAw rwm nwim vifAweI ]
    nwnk pRBu pwieAw sbid imlwieAw joqI joiq imlweI ]4]


    forgive me please
     
  7. Harjas Kaur Khalsa

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    I took surname of Khalsa because in the United States 90% of Sikh converts take this surname. It is a way of eliminating any references to caste, class, race, nationality. You cannot tell who is convert from Judaism, Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, etc. Are we worthy to be called Harjas? Are we worthy to be called Kaur? Are we worthy to be named Gurdev? Are we worthy to be named Nirmal? Isn't the name something you are given to try to live up to? There are thousands of people with the surname Khalsa. It actually is a tip off that I'm an American convert. Although some Indians in America have also taken this surname. This is the name I accepted from the Panj Piare when I became amrit chuk.
    Is it qualities of a Sikh which are being pointed out, or is it qualities rejecting Sikh teaching that are being pointed out? Since many people on forums are promoting something as Sikhi which it is not: cutting hair, being a Naamdhari, removing kakkars etc. Are these personal criticisms or matters of distorting definitions of the religious faith for which clarity should be made?

    Certainly everyone should be able to agree who Guru Ji is. Certainly everyone should be able to agree that Sikhi promotes not cutting or shaving hair. And if we can't agree on these basic things, what's in a name?

    The definition of who is a Sikh and who is a Khalsa and what is legitimate Sikh practice have nothing to do with either of our opinions. And definitely, if I do something wrong, especially on a public forum, I have to answer for it to the sangat, to the Panj Piare, and if bad enough to Akal Takht. So I try very carefully to research something before I say it. That doesn't mean I'm not wrong. But it means people should use care when speaking for what Sikhi is or is not. And if people distort Gurbani or invent new definitions of what Sikhi is on a public forum, and Sikhs do not correct or clarify it, that would be a sin.

    If something is not what Sikhi teaches, then you or I or a doctoral dissertation, a book, a website, neon signs or a record album, a radio broadcast or a t.v. show will not make it so. And you should ask yourself, is the issue people have with someone who tells you what Sikhi teaches, or is the issue people have with what Sikhi actually teaches? Think about it. Because even if no one says anything. The eternal Truth is still the eternal Truth. People don't have to be perfect. Guruji still loves all people and will help them. But people need to be careful not to speak some false teaching in the name of Sikh religion. I don't have that right. No one has that right.

    [SIZE=-1]I didn't quote any Jathabandi Maryada which tend to be stricter. Although, those who have taken amrit need to follow the instructions and Maryada of their Panj Piare. This is just straight up the SGPC Maryada. And if you compare the authoritative definition of a Sikh, and practice of an amritdhari with what is promoted on the forums, you have to admit theres some real distortions being passed off to the public. Should people be quiet and accept all these distorted definitions in the name of tolerance? It's a forum. Why can't people share their best understanding of what the truth about Sikhi is, and what it isn't? If people want to cut hair and have some identity as Sikh, that's fine. It's when people start teaching that Sikhi and our Guru's teach it's acceptable to cut hair; when people start to redefine what Sikhi teaches, then that's a debate. Loud opinions really are nothing. Your position needs to be credible and cite sources to establish what the teachings actually are. Then thats established teaching and practice, not your opinion.[/SIZE]

    1. I think I have a clue
    2. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh (The Khalsa belongs to God. the Victory belongs to God.) So God is better than the Khalsa. Khalsa is God's own Army. Khalsa Panth is invested with Guruship, and Guru is God's own Jyot.
    3. According to the rehat Maryada and Panj Piare I became a member of the Khalsa when I became amrit chukk.
    4. According to the rehat Maryada, there are 4 bujjar kurehits which would invalidate my amrit. There is nothing which says referring to myself as Khalsa will invalidate my amrit and necessitate rebaptism. Also it states that taking amrit we become members of the Khalsa Panth. See above link to Rehat Maryada. To be a member of Khalsa Panth is also an evolution. We are supposed to follow practices of Sikhism and become better people over time. The goal really is jeevan mukta. And I will publically acknowledge that I am not a good person. I want to be a good person. I am not a holy person. I want to be a holy person. So there is no doubt, I accept all of your criticisms as to being a bad person in need of Guruji's corrections. I am sure they will come.

    Please correct my mistakes.
     
  8. simpy

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    Respected Harjas Kaur Khalsa Ji,

    very informative and to the point

    forgive me please
     
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    hmmm
     
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    There is a lot of history in this thread. A lot of history. Bringing back memories. Bringing smiles. :);):):}:)::}{}{}::D;)
     
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    Very Nice Disscusion ! May be I missed it earlier on .

    The assertion given by Harjas is very Valis that using a Common Surname Like khalsa might be used as common platform for all old and new

    But I think Singh and Kaur were also Coined for the same purpose
    So why one new surname Khalsa , may be it is also source of inspiration and also carries the memories of Historical Sikh Figures like
    Siri Singh Sahib Bhai Sahib Harbhajan Singh Khalsa as he was


    as he was popularly known as


    But one other intersting observation that I made out of thread is that in India many sikhs are inclined to use their Caste along with name

    My question is this also something like Khalsa denoting something Historic or important

    Our very respected member Surinder Kaur Cheema Ji also uses her surname .I am very sure that she is NOT using it to claim something but still I could not sure why we ( all of us !)use this even after 300 years of Creation of Khalsa
    Inputs will be appreciated
     
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    is it possible you're confusing khalsa with gurmukh? when one takes Amrit, one becomes Khalsa. Khalsa means one who "belongs to God".

    taking amrit does not make one Gurmukh, that's a much longer spiritual journey. but i think all Amritdhari may call themselves Khalsa without hesitation, as when you take Amrit, the panj piyare tell you that you are Khalsa.
     
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  13. carolineislands

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    If this definition is to be taken literally then one would not even have to be a Sikh to be "Khalsa."

    Somebody up the thread a ways said that Khalsa was a person who had totally forsaken ego and personality, in which case almost NOBODY would be Khalsa.

    I'm starting to think that calling yourself "Khalsa" is kind of like saying you're a "saint." If you were you'd never say it and if you say it you probably aren't.

    ;)
     
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    Khalsa is not only saint, it's saint and warrior, or "sant/saphai". :)

    here's what Guru Gobind Singh ji says about Khalsa:[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]

    "He who keeps alight the unquenchable torch of truth, and never swerves from the thought of One God; he who has full love and confidence in God and does not put his faith, even by mistake, in fasting or the graves of Muslim saints, Hindu crematoriums, or Jogis places of sepulchre; he who recognises the One God and no pilgrimages, alms-giving, non-destruction of life, penances, or austerities; and in whose heart the light of the Perfect One shines, - he is to be recognised as a pure member of the Khalsa" (Guru Gobind Singh, 33 Swaiyyas)
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    or more famously...

    "Khalsa mero roop hai khaas.
    The Khalsa is my complete image

    Khalse maih hau karo nivaas.
    I dwell in the khalsa

    Khalsa mero mukh hai ang-aa.
    Khalsa is my chief organ

    Khalse ke hau sadh sadh sang-aa.
    I am always with the khalsa

    Khalsa mero mitr sakhaa-ee
    Khalsa is my closest friend

    Khalsa maat pitaa sukhdaa-ee
    Khalsa is my mother, father & source of all comforts.

    Khalsa meri jaat ar pat.
    Khalsa is my caste & creed.

    Khalsa sau maa kau utapat.
    My creation is through the khalsa

    Khalsa mero bhavan bhand-aa-raa.
    I dwell in the khalsa who is a storehouse of all my requirements.

    Khalse kar mero satk-aa-raa.
    I am honoured because of the khalsa.

    Khalsa mero pind par-aan.
    Khalsa is my body & breath.

    Khalsa meri jaan ki jaan.
    Khalsa is my life & soul

    Khalsa mera satgur poor-aa
    Khalsa is my full-fledged Guru.

    Khalsa mera sajan soor-aa.
    Khalsa is my brave friend.

    Khalsa mero budh ar giaan.
    Khalsa is my wisdom & knowledge.

    Khalse ka hau dhar-au dhiaan.
    I always contemplate the khalsa prayerfully

    Upmaa khalsae jaath na kahi
    Eulogy of the khalsa is beyond me.

    Jihv-aa ek paar nah lahi.
    I cannot fathom full praise of the khalsa with one tongue.

    Ya mai ranch na mithe-aa bhaakh-ee.
    I certify that I have not mis-stated anything in the foregoing.

    Paarbrahm gur Nanak saak-ee.
    God & Guru Nanak are my witnesses to endorse the foregoing truth
     
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    So that is Gurmat. No question.:)
     
  16. carolineislands

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    Do you believe only Sikhs meet all these criteria? If so, do you believe only Sikh's who have participated in the ceremony of amrit meet all these criteria?
     
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    i think a person of any faith can achieve God... i suppose one could consider Jesus or Kabir ji or Buddha to be Khalsa by this definition. :)

    however, i thought this discussion was in the context of sikhi. or did i miss something?
     
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    If a ceremony is performed to awaken Soul's awareness in the spheres of duality, then that awakening matters more.
     
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    Caroline ji,

    The context is important. Guruji is speaking on more than one level. The literal text is referring to practices of a time in history. The Gurus were trying to light a path for people of faith (Hindu and Muslim) that would liberate them from rituals and connect them with the Sat Guru without people of high caste or people of ritual telling them how to believe in God. This was not a message of exclusion; rather Guruji was and is saying that those who mistake ritual for awakening remain stuck in the cycle of life and death. Guruji was and is inviting everyone to reflect and understand this idea.

    The context for our time today is specifically a message of Sikhism heard in the words of Guruji. All are invited to hear this message. However, how many people of other faiths even know of SGGS? And Sikhs tend not to evangelize feeling that would be very rude and insulting. When asked a Sikh will explain, but most tend not to preach.

    In each instance the call is to everyone. But as Jasleen ji says, the context of the discussion is sikhism.
     
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    Thank you... your statement touched my heart.
     
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