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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Gyani Jarnail Singh" data-source="post: 5470" data-attributes="member: 189"><p>Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.</p><p> </p><p>Looking at the preponderance of "Sants" and "Brahmgianis" on the Sikhi Scene today I cant help but wonder If we have fallen into the Well that Guru ji pulled us out of.</p><p> </p><p>When GURU NANAK JI came on the Scene...."Satgur nanak Pargitaya, miti dhund jagg chhanann hoiya" Bhai Gurdass ( and Bhai Ji is NOT discussing the weather here !!)..the BRAHMAN/PROHIT/MIDDLEMAN/SADHU/HOLYMAN/God's AGENT etc had the entire Hindu Population by the NOSE RING. NO ONE dared say a single word agaisnt the Brahman...every thing was done after consulting him..he had an absolute stranglehold on everybody's lives...KNOWLEDGE/LANGUAGE/SACRED TEXTS were his EXCLUSIVE DOMAIN...any body else specifically forbidden at pain of DEATH to listen/read these texts etc...a Shudra who even accidentally happen to "hear" the sacred texts being read would be punished by having molten lead poured into his ears..or his tongue pulled out if he was caught reading them...</p><p> </p><p>GURU JI began His 250 Year LONG and arduous MISSION to UPROOT the BRAHMAN..GURBANI was written in the Comon man's language, Gurbani was made accessible to all, no intermediraies was made the RULE rther than the exception, For EACH SIKH was Guru ji made it Compulsory to study his own scriptures, do ardass, pray etc..no dependance on the Priests or Brahmans..slowly but surely Guru ji succeeded in His Mission..the Brahman was uproted from Sikhi... but in the 200 years after 1708..Sikhs again fell into the same well... the "BRAHMAN" was back in SIKHI GUISE as the BRAHM-GIANI"..Ordinary Siksh placed these on such a High Pedestals that no Brahmgiani could do NO WRONG..He was as INFALLIBLE as the POPE of Middle Ages..Siksh began to quote SUKHMANI SAHIB... Brahmgiani ki gatt Brahmgiani janneh... ONLY a Brahmgiani can really know a Brahmgiani..efectively SEALING off all debate about accountability/mistakes/errors.. The SIKH had disregarded His GURU JI's ADVICE and put the Brahman noose in his nose and handed the string to the BRAHM-GIANI to pull in whichever direction he pleases.</p><p> </p><p>When we have a "surprise" for a loved one, we tell him/her.."close your eyes" and open them when I tell you to....a Brahmgiani in 1984 told an Entire Mass Grouping to CLOSE YOUR EYES KHALSA JI....and keep them closed until I tell you to open them...20 Years passed...no "surprise" is revealed...instead DEATH intervened...and....the Noose string is handed over to the next instant "Brahmgiani"...to keep the eyes closed until told to open them...for the surprise to unfold... amazing !!!..YES.. This is the power of the brahmgiani..Gurbani, GURU , Common Sense, everything takes second place... what the Brahmgiani says goes 100%...even when his words have been proven hollow.</p><p> </p><p>SIKHS must go back to their roots...GURBANI and GURU JI's EXAMPLE whereby NO intermediary is needed between aSIkh and Akal Purakh. There is NO priest, no sant, no sadhu, no barhmgiani in Sikhism..ALL these are for themsleves.NOT for us. Gurbani clearly and conclusively says..At the Darbar of Jam..NO ONE..not your dad, mum, grandpa, grandma, sant,baba,maharaj,brahmgiani, is going to STAND in for YOU... as you sow so shall you REAP.EACH person is rsponsible for his own. For over 400 years 1469-1930..there is NOT a SINGLE HUMAN addressed as SANT/BRAHMGIANI..in Sikh History... this mushrooming began after 1945..and since 1984 has grown expotentially...soon there will be more brahmgianis than sikhs. WHAT does this FACT PROVE ?? Judge for yourself.</p><p> </p><p>Jarnail Singh Gyani</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Gyani Jarnail Singh, post: 5470, member: 189"] Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh. Looking at the preponderance of "Sants" and "Brahmgianis" on the Sikhi Scene today I cant help but wonder If we have fallen into the Well that Guru ji pulled us out of. When GURU NANAK JI came on the Scene...."Satgur nanak Pargitaya, miti dhund jagg chhanann hoiya" Bhai Gurdass ( and Bhai Ji is NOT discussing the weather here !!)..the BRAHMAN/PROHIT/MIDDLEMAN/SADHU/HOLYMAN/God's AGENT etc had the entire Hindu Population by the NOSE RING. NO ONE dared say a single word agaisnt the Brahman...every thing was done after consulting him..he had an absolute stranglehold on everybody's lives...KNOWLEDGE/LANGUAGE/SACRED TEXTS were his EXCLUSIVE DOMAIN...any body else specifically forbidden at pain of DEATH to listen/read these texts etc...a Shudra who even accidentally happen to "hear" the sacred texts being read would be punished by having molten lead poured into his ears..or his tongue pulled out if he was caught reading them... GURU JI began His 250 Year LONG and arduous MISSION to UPROOT the BRAHMAN..GURBANI was written in the Comon man's language, Gurbani was made accessible to all, no intermediraies was made the RULE rther than the exception, For EACH SIKH was Guru ji made it Compulsory to study his own scriptures, do ardass, pray etc..no dependance on the Priests or Brahmans..slowly but surely Guru ji succeeded in His Mission..the Brahman was uproted from Sikhi... but in the 200 years after 1708..Sikhs again fell into the same well... the "BRAHMAN" was back in SIKHI GUISE as the BRAHM-GIANI"..Ordinary Siksh placed these on such a High Pedestals that no Brahmgiani could do NO WRONG..He was as INFALLIBLE as the POPE of Middle Ages..Siksh began to quote SUKHMANI SAHIB... Brahmgiani ki gatt Brahmgiani janneh... ONLY a Brahmgiani can really know a Brahmgiani..efectively SEALING off all debate about accountability/mistakes/errors.. The SIKH had disregarded His GURU JI's ADVICE and put the Brahman noose in his nose and handed the string to the BRAHM-GIANI to pull in whichever direction he pleases. When we have a "surprise" for a loved one, we tell him/her.."close your eyes" and open them when I tell you to....a Brahmgiani in 1984 told an Entire Mass Grouping to CLOSE YOUR EYES KHALSA JI....and keep them closed until I tell you to open them...20 Years passed...no "surprise" is revealed...instead DEATH intervened...and....the Noose string is handed over to the next instant "Brahmgiani"...to keep the eyes closed until told to open them...for the surprise to unfold... amazing !!!..YES.. This is the power of the brahmgiani..Gurbani, GURU , Common Sense, everything takes second place... what the Brahmgiani says goes 100%...even when his words have been proven hollow. SIKHS must go back to their roots...GURBANI and GURU JI's EXAMPLE whereby NO intermediary is needed between aSIkh and Akal Purakh. There is NO priest, no sant, no sadhu, no barhmgiani in Sikhism..ALL these are for themsleves.NOT for us. Gurbani clearly and conclusively says..At the Darbar of Jam..NO ONE..not your dad, mum, grandpa, grandma, sant,baba,maharaj,brahmgiani, is going to STAND in for YOU... as you sow so shall you REAP.EACH person is rsponsible for his own. For over 400 years 1469-1930..there is NOT a SINGLE HUMAN addressed as SANT/BRAHMGIANI..in Sikh History... this mushrooming began after 1945..and since 1984 has grown expotentially...soon there will be more brahmgianis than sikhs. WHAT does this FACT PROVE ?? Judge for yourself. Jarnail Singh Gyani [/QUOTE]
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