Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!

Define Pain - The Sikh Response

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by Randip Singh, Aug 20, 2008.

  1. Randip Singh

    Randip Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPN Sewadaar
    Historian SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,949
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    Hi Guys,

    On another thread a chap talked a lot about pain and inflicting pain etc. He talked about higher senses and pain, yet what is pain?

    I have witnessed people walk on hot coals, smash bricks with heads, people with stab wounds, and none of these people have been in pain.

    Yet I have seen people with splinters, or losing a loved one crryin out in terrible pain?

    My question is what is pain and what is the Sikh view point on Pain?
     
  2. Loading...

    Similar Threads Forum Date
    Hard Talk When Our Quirks Define Us (A Parable Revisited) Hard Talk Mar 12, 2016
    How to define "Respect" for other religions? Questions and Answers Jan 29, 2012
    Leisure How do you define masculine/feminine energy? Business, Lifestyle & Leisure Aug 26, 2011
    Authentic Sikhism Defined? Sikh Sikhi Sikhism Aug 2, 2009
    Learn Punjabi Punjabi Language and Gurmukhi Script Defined Language, Arts & Culture Jan 3, 2009

  3. dalsingh

    dalsingh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    233
    I'm not sure of the answer but attachment may be one part of it.
     
  4. Astroboy

    Astroboy Malaysia
    Expand Collapse
    ਨਾਮ ਤੇਰੇ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਲਗਾਈ (Previously namjap)
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2007
    Messages:
    4,578
    Likes Received:
    1,606
    Pain can be defined in many ways but nothing comes near experience.
     
  5. Randip Singh

    Randip Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPN Sewadaar
    Historian SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,949
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    So are we saying pain is something subjective i.e. it is relative or specific to a person, and the circumstances?
     
  6. dalsingh

    dalsingh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2006
    Messages:
    1,064
    Likes Received:
    233
    Well pain comes in differing forms. There is physical pain i.e being punched in face and there is emotional pain i.e. losing something that you felt close to.

    I would say the latter is more subjective than the former. However even physical pain has a subjective element as what may cause severe physical pain to one person may not have the same effect on another due to biological differences perhaps.

    But yes, I think we are on safe grounds to go with pain being somewhat subjective.
     
  7. spnadmin

    spnadmin United States
    Expand Collapse
    1947-2014 (Archived)
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2004
    Messages:
    14,551
    Likes Received:
    19,200
    Is there a Sikh point of view on pain? Dukh does not in the context of Gurbani refer to physical pain -- or at least in my reading of the shabads it does not.

    Might actually be worthwhile for us to explore the meanings of Dukh in relation to your question, Randip ji. Members of the medical profession, psychotherapists, neuroscientists, who are also Sikhs, might give some interesting answers. Or maybe not so surprising. :)
     
  8. Randip Singh

    Randip Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPN Sewadaar
    Historian SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,949
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    Looking back out Sikh warriors they were able to withstand tremendous pain. Is this linked to discipline? or is there a medical explanation for this (eg trauma).
     
  9. Sinister

    Sinister
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 4, 2006
    Messages:
    907
    Likes Received:
    394

    A little bit of both discipline and trauma.

    There are 3 types of pain somatic, visceral and neuropathic

    In battle we are talking about somatic pain which can be the result of the activation of pain receptors that are cutaneous (superfiscial on the body) or musculoskeletal (deep tissues).

    Pain is perceived via Nocirecetors (which are slow firing neurons that trigger the parasympathetic 'fight or flight response to stress'…adrenaline is then released by the adrenal gland into the bloodstream…this increases heart rate, awareness and has been shown to short-circuit pain sensation temporarily; by overloading and refocusing the brain on completing specific tasks...achieving safety)

    this is why some people, when they are in the heat of a thick battle, can mentally block out the tremendous pain and carry out a task, when they are wounded. (you hear war stories of navy pilots who didn't even feel the pain of a missing arm until they are out of the dog-fight)

    The other type of pain is neuropathic pain…when nerves in the central or peripheral nervous system are damaged (stroke, disease can cause chronic neuropathy…unrelated to what you are talking about).

    pain is very unusual
    -there are people who can mentally block out pain more than others
    especially if they have the mental capacity to refocus their minds on something else (easier said than done...when you're missing an arm).

    -Oddly and rarely, there are actually some people who enjoy pain and get sexually aroused by it. Certain kinds of pain can also become eroticized through their association with sexual pleasure, or in anticipation of it. (dont ask me how i know this :}{}{}:)
     
  10. Randip Singh

    Randip Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPN Sewadaar
    Historian SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,949
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    haha, nice post. The end was funny.:happy:
     
  11. Astroboy

    Astroboy Malaysia
    Expand Collapse
    ਨਾਮ ਤੇਰੇ ਕੀ ਜੋਤਿ ਲਗਾਈ (Previously namjap)
    Writer SPNer Contributor

    Joined:
    Jul 14, 2007
    Messages:
    4,578
    Likes Received:
    1,606
    Paulo Coelho: But there is suffering in life, and there are defeats. No one can avoid them. But it's better to lose some of the battles in the struggles for your dreams than to be defeated without ever knowing what you're fighting for.
     
  12. Saint Soldier

    Saint Soldier
    Expand Collapse

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    183
    Likes Received:
    13
  13. Randip Singh

    Randip Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPN Sewadaar
    Historian SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 25, 2005
    Messages:
    2,949
    Likes Received:
    2,952
    Didn't Nitzche say say "What does not kill us can only make us stronger" ?
     
  14. Sinister

    Sinister
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 4, 2006
    Messages:
    907
    Likes Received:
    394
    yeap that was nietzsche

    and it's true...slipping out of extreme stress situation gives us experience, if not a taste of what pain is, also it improves the way we look at life.

    which is why older and "seasoned" troops are always more effective in battle.

    everyones quoting someone here, I wanna fit in tooo! :D

    "Pain is inevitable; suffering is optional"
    -Anon
     

Share This Page