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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="S|kH" data-source="post: 53355" data-attributes="member: 217"><p>I didn't mean Sadhu literally, I meant it in the modern society way...as what your implying, but yet distant enough from modern trends to not care. Complicated meaning, I know.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>I don't see the connection to praying and watching people suffer. Your claiming the law degree won't help me when someone has cancer, and your right, but I fail to see how praying will?</p><p>You say even the "atheist" prays when his child has cancer. There's usually two general outcomes when you, or a loved one get cancer, they either become super-religious, or become super-atheist. I have seen both happen, and I respect both equally. I've seen Amritdhari fathers give up after their child died at the age of 6. That does not mean I respect them less. And yes, I know of stories of how mothers watched their children die infront of them but never gave up their Sikhi. This is no longer that day and age, we have more evidence in front of the religious believer that should instill doubt in him/her. (See : Test of Faith topic). We have far more evidence now that one should be agnostic, than we ever did before, so its not nearly the same circumstance, and its futile to call that Amritdhari father who gave up, "weak" and recite the story of our motherly ancestors. </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>My guru will be there for me? I fail to see that also. How can you prove my guru will be there for me? Isn't he an entity that can not be proven, isn't it in the mind? My mind will be there for me. Whether I make it strong enough to last it through the thick and the thin has no relevance if a super-being exists, or watches over me. Family is a measurable entity, so we KNOW it will be there for us. It is assured. It's all psychological. You may need the Guru to be there for you, but it depends on personality. This is a whole another debate.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>In this, you are very much right. This will most likely be the case.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>You are right in your sentences, except for the last comment. Without the guru its very difficult to be good? to be swayed by maya? From my topics and tone, you can clearly identify me as an atheist. Yet, I am far less swayed by maya than even 95% of religious believers. As far as being good, I'd consider myself a good person, but thats all relative and not measurable.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I have volunteered at a hospital, and I went the opposite route as to what you are saying. So much suffering that makes absolutely no sense that religions identify as a "karma" and other nonsense. "Previous life". I never had the guts to tell a 3 year old kid that he is suffering from cancer because of something he did in his past life. </p><p>And, as for the latter of your paragraph, I think we as humans are intelligent enough now, to realize that we only utilize God and praying to calm us down, and its all in the mind, all psychological. Hence, we should be able to overcome it. Its about accepting death. Praying does nothing, but give a temporary solution. I dont need to pray for that, we've overcome that phase of human existance. We have to realize its dumb luck, there is nothing we can do in certain situations. Praying isn't going to save anyone. If it calms you down, then by all means do it. But, I would much rather have my favorite music or tv show on. In essence, I'm using it as the same tool you use praying on the death bed.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="S|kH, post: 53355, member: 217"] I didn't mean Sadhu literally, I meant it in the modern society way...as what your implying, but yet distant enough from modern trends to not care. Complicated meaning, I know. I don't see the connection to praying and watching people suffer. Your claiming the law degree won't help me when someone has cancer, and your right, but I fail to see how praying will? You say even the "atheist" prays when his child has cancer. There's usually two general outcomes when you, or a loved one get cancer, they either become super-religious, or become super-atheist. I have seen both happen, and I respect both equally. I've seen Amritdhari fathers give up after their child died at the age of 6. That does not mean I respect them less. And yes, I know of stories of how mothers watched their children die infront of them but never gave up their Sikhi. This is no longer that day and age, we have more evidence in front of the religious believer that should instill doubt in him/her. (See : Test of Faith topic). We have far more evidence now that one should be agnostic, than we ever did before, so its not nearly the same circumstance, and its futile to call that Amritdhari father who gave up, "weak" and recite the story of our motherly ancestors. My guru will be there for me? I fail to see that also. How can you prove my guru will be there for me? Isn't he an entity that can not be proven, isn't it in the mind? My mind will be there for me. Whether I make it strong enough to last it through the thick and the thin has no relevance if a super-being exists, or watches over me. Family is a measurable entity, so we KNOW it will be there for us. It is assured. It's all psychological. You may need the Guru to be there for you, but it depends on personality. This is a whole another debate. In this, you are very much right. This will most likely be the case. You are right in your sentences, except for the last comment. Without the guru its very difficult to be good? to be swayed by maya? From my topics and tone, you can clearly identify me as an atheist. Yet, I am far less swayed by maya than even 95% of religious believers. As far as being good, I'd consider myself a good person, but thats all relative and not measurable. I have volunteered at a hospital, and I went the opposite route as to what you are saying. So much suffering that makes absolutely no sense that religions identify as a "karma" and other nonsense. "Previous life". I never had the guts to tell a 3 year old kid that he is suffering from cancer because of something he did in his past life. And, as for the latter of your paragraph, I think we as humans are intelligent enough now, to realize that we only utilize God and praying to calm us down, and its all in the mind, all psychological. Hence, we should be able to overcome it. Its about accepting death. Praying does nothing, but give a temporary solution. I dont need to pray for that, we've overcome that phase of human existance. We have to realize its dumb luck, there is nothing we can do in certain situations. Praying isn't going to save anyone. If it calms you down, then by all means do it. But, I would much rather have my favorite music or tv show on. In essence, I'm using it as the same tool you use praying on the death bed. [/QUOTE]
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