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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 83169" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Add context to the list, when I previously spoke of coherency and consistency.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">If everything is Hukm then there is no such thing as good and bad. Yet you continue to state</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: maroon">“</span><span style="color: maroon"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">You can either use chemicals for your benefit or for your destruction.”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">If everything is his Hukm then nothing is done for your benefit nor for your destruction</span></span><span style="color: #5b5b5b">…everything is done for his will (nothing else).</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">So rationally, either you can stick to the statement “everything is his hukm” or you have to discard it like a w*hore in a back ally and bring it out at times of convenience. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Again, a rational human like you and I, do not and will not, ever believe in the predicate:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">“There is nothing without his will” (you can fight it and debate it…but we are on the same page, on the same step in our sikhi…along with the rest of the members here)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">The question spinning in my head is:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Does this new found equality between you and I, make you feel uncomfortable? :}<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" />:</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Over here you continue with the contradictions. (Rational contradictions of co{censored}…considering there is no such thing as non-rational contradictions because all non-rational constructions are perfect):</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #800000">“Only nature's processes are safe and healthy. Nature provides you with a brain. Nature is real so long as you live in the physical body. The average life span being 85 revolutions around the sun.”</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">So now you are off the skeptical argument? That means you must denounce all the perks and safety nets that come along with it (and you must have claim to knowledge).</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">You state:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">“Nature is real so long as you live in the physical body.”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">You also state “Only nature’s processes are safe and healthy” </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">If you believe this to be true, then consider:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">are humans not a part of nature?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b">Humans, being a part of nature, entails that all of our processes are safe and healthy for “85 revolutions around the sun”. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Either way we have a display of ego or nihilism, once again. (I am very proud of you because these are all signs that you are human...just like myself)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #993300"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">“Have you now realized that <u>the drama in a drama</u> is all in the mind ?”</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">no it may not be so. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">There may exist a drama outside the mind (note: this is a possibility not a certainty). Even if this drama is not of any use to us but it may very well be there. It can’t just be ruled out. (Hope, wonder and amusement plays a great deal in verifying its existence)…and finally we have hit the epistemological gridlock! (internalist vs externalist)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Logically this argument has fallen apart a while ago. Again you do not believe what you state so it impossible to discern what a debate is with you (because debates follow patterns of logic).</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">So this is not even a debate…never really was </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Your original statement:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #993300">"OK, just to debate this issue, I have taken the role of defendant and will do my best to defend this statement. How do I start ????"</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Is also false. You had no intention of debate nor of being a defendant.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">There is something fundamentally wrong with your construction of reality. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">But then again, to be fair, there is something wrong with everyone’s construction of reality. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Some more nihilism;</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Another trait we share (stating nihilistic statements when we dont beleive in them ourselves)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">An Arid Aqueduct</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">An Atmosphere without Air</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">An Analysis without An Analogy.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #5b5b5b"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">I made all my points and that’s about as far as I go before we run into more agreement and kill a perfectly good display of non-unity (the perfect dramatic ending).</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'"><span style="color: #993300">Insincerely yours,</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial Black'">Sinister</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 83169, member: 2684"] [FONT=Arial Black]Add context to the list, when I previously spoke of coherency and consistency.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Black]If everything is Hukm then there is no such thing as good and bad. Yet you continue to state[/FONT] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=maroon]“[/COLOR][COLOR=maroon][FONT=Tahoma]You can either use chemicals for your benefit or for your destruction.”[/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma]If everything is his Hukm then nothing is done for your benefit nor for your destruction[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#5b5b5b]…everything is done for his will (nothing else).[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]So rationally, either you can stick to the statement “everything is his hukm” or you have to discard it like a w*hore in a back ally and bring it out at times of convenience. [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Again, a rational human like you and I, do not and will not, ever believe in the predicate:[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#5b5b5b]“There is nothing without his will” (you can fight it and debate it…but we are on the same page, on the same step in our sikhi…along with the rest of the members here)[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]The question spinning in my head is:[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Does this new found equality between you and I, make you feel uncomfortable? :}:-):[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Over here you continue with the contradictions. (Rational contradictions of co{censored}…considering there is no such thing as non-rational contradictions because all non-rational constructions are perfect):[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#800000]“Only nature's processes are safe and healthy. Nature provides you with a brain. Nature is real so long as you live in the physical body. The average life span being 85 revolutions around the sun.”[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]So now you are off the skeptical argument? That means you must denounce all the perks and safety nets that come along with it (and you must have claim to knowledge).[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]You state:[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]“Nature is real so long as you live in the physical body.”[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]You also state “Only nature’s processes are safe and healthy” [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#5b5b5b]If you believe this to be true, then consider:[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#5b5b5b]are humans not a part of nature?[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#5b5b5b]Humans, being a part of nature, entails that all of our processes are safe and healthy for “85 revolutions around the sun”. [/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Either way we have a display of ego or nihilism, once again. (I am very proud of you because these are all signs that you are human...just like myself)[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#993300][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]“Have you now realized that [U]the drama in a drama[/U] is all in the mind ?”[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Arial Black]no it may not be so. [/FONT][/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]There may exist a drama outside the mind (note: this is a possibility not a certainty). Even if this drama is not of any use to us but it may very well be there. It can’t just be ruled out. (Hope, wonder and amusement plays a great deal in verifying its existence)…and finally we have hit the epistemological gridlock! (internalist vs externalist)[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Logically this argument has fallen apart a while ago. Again you do not believe what you state so it impossible to discern what a debate is with you (because debates follow patterns of logic).[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]So this is not even a debate…never really was [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Your original statement:[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#993300]"OK, just to debate this issue, I have taken the role of defendant and will do my best to defend this statement. How do I start ????"[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Is also false. You had no intention of debate nor of being a defendant.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]There is something fundamentally wrong with your construction of reality. [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]But then again, to be fair, there is something wrong with everyone’s construction of reality. [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Some more nihilism;[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]Another trait we share (stating nihilistic statements when we dont beleive in them ourselves)[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]An Arid Aqueduct[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]An Atmosphere without Air[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]An Analysis without An Analogy.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#5b5b5b][FONT=Tahoma][FONT=Arial Black]I made all my points and that’s about as far as I go before we run into more agreement and kill a perfectly good display of non-unity (the perfect dramatic ending).[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Arial Black][COLOR=#993300]Insincerely yours,[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Arial Black]Sinister[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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