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<blockquote data-quote="pk70" data-source="post: 84701" data-attributes="member: 5889"><p>This means that we should not be surprised by future events which will happen. </p><p>If this is so then there is an important question that can anyone travel in time? If yes then he/she can change the future or past. If he changes past then it is logically wrong. There arise paradox (like grandfather paradox). If he changes future then that would violate <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikhism</a>.</p><p> </p><p> <strong>Not a thing my friend; however, it is an illusion one enjoys by saying he has changed the future. Where is the change? What is changed is also preordained. Question is how to see some thing in the future. The concept of preordained is` totally misunderstood. Future is like a big stairways, as you go up, you see. Have you seen Sinister jis Video? It explains itself about that paradox and one target, future, unfortunately future is not one target but actually limited time filled with events. Interestingly actions bring reactions (emotional or logical, it doesn’t matter) and those reactions are future and once they occur they loose the </strong>status of a part of future.</p><p> Take it another According to <a href="http://www.sikhism.us/" target="_blank">Sikhism</a>, everything is prewritten. So nothing is dynamic including future. way, if a person is able to know what is going to happen at a particular place and at particular TIME then there is a "full" possibility that he can change what he has seen (like guru ji . he knew everything but he never changed anything. well if I had such kind of "power" then I would certainly try to change <img src="http://file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" />).</p><p> <strong>First of all don’t bring Guru ji in this imagination since Guru ji never stated that. Now lets go back to your assumption. How one can see those stairs he/she never treaded on? Hypothetically, even if one travels to that point, how something would be there without actions that trigger reactions, so there is nothing can be changed. Let’s be clearer in your hypothetic example. If one see that he is going to be killed by a car on coming Sunday, and he sees it and decides not to drive or go out in a car at all. Do you think he has changed any thing? Only thing happened in that case is that the guy whatever sees is not true. Actual destiny was his” staying at home on that Sunday” To understand preordained, one must understand the other part Gurbani in which it is stated</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span></strong> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span></strong> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀਵਣਿ</span></strong> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਣਿ</span></strong> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹ</span></strong> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span></strong> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">jor n jeevan maran neh jor ||</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">we have no power to live, nor do we have power to die</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">jeevan= to live, marn= to die</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Power of living and dieing is not in our hands ( Japji Pouri 32)</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">Now one can say,” how it can be true, I can die when I want to.” To prove it one takes poison and his story ends there. It was not he who commits suicide to prove death is in his hands, but it is his preordained moments he hugs. It is a big concept, must be understand as a whole not bit by bit.</span></strong></p><p> </p><p> But if he/she changes then that would again voilate the rule that "everything is prewritten".</p><p> <strong>As said earlier, realistically there is no change save for an illusion</strong> </p><p>Does this mean that no body can create time machine and no body can know the future???</p><p> <strong>Absolutely true, you take a test, you did well, you can predict” I am going to pass certainly”</strong></p><p> <strong>Watching the satellite and predicting’ it will rain tomorrow” is the only possible way of knowing the real truth stored in future event, unfortunately that also falls short as some time face and speed of winds can affect that predictions.</strong> </p><p>If yes then how guru ji was able to see future? <img src="http://file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></p><p> <strong>Stay cool, Guru ji never claimed to predict future, if here or there something was said and it turned to be true, it was also a part of “LORD"S’ JOR” ( jor=power) Those Visions also fall under His Jor as per Guru ji.</strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਸੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਥਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੋਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵੇਖੈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋਇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'">jis hathh jor kar vaekhai soe ||</span></strong></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"><strong>The only who has all this power watches after having created. It(world).</strong></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pk70, post: 84701, member: 5889"] This means that we should not be surprised by future events which will happen. If this is so then there is an important question that can anyone travel in time? If yes then he/she can change the future or past. If he changes past then it is logically wrong. There arise paradox (like grandfather paradox). If he changes future then that would violate [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikhism[/URL]. [B]Not a thing my friend; however, it is an illusion one enjoys by saying he has changed the future. Where is the change? What is changed is also preordained. Question is how to see some thing in the future. The concept of preordained is` totally misunderstood. Future is like a big stairways, as you go up, you see. Have you seen Sinister jis Video? It explains itself about that paradox and one target, future, unfortunately future is not one target but actually limited time filled with events. Interestingly actions bring reactions (emotional or logical, it doesn’t matter) and those reactions are future and once they occur they loose the [/B]status of a part of future. Take it another According to [URL="http://www.sikhism.us/"]Sikhism[/URL], everything is prewritten. So nothing is dynamic including future. way, if a person is able to know what is going to happen at a particular place and at particular TIME then there is a "full" possibility that he can change what he has seen (like guru ji . he knew everything but he never changed anything. well if I had such kind of "power" then I would certainly try to change [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG]). [B]First of all don’t bring Guru ji in this imagination since Guru ji never stated that. Now lets go back to your assumption. How one can see those stairs he/she never treaded on? Hypothetically, even if one travels to that point, how something would be there without actions that trigger reactions, so there is nothing can be changed. Let’s be clearer in your hypothetic example. If one see that he is going to be killed by a car on coming Sunday, and he sees it and decides not to drive or go out in a car at all. Do you think he has changed any thing? Only thing happened in that case is that the guy whatever sees is not true. Actual destiny was his” staying at home on that Sunday” To understand preordained, one must understand the other part Gurbani in which it is stated[/B] [B][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀਵਣਿ[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਣਿ[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Raavi]ਨਹ[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][/B][B][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/B][B][FONT=DevanagariMT][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Helvetica]jor n jeevan maran neh jor ||[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Helvetica]we have no power to live, nor do we have power to die[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Helvetica]jeevan= to live, marn= to die[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Helvetica]Power of living and dieing is not in our hands ( Japji Pouri 32)[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Helvetica]Now one can say,” how it can be true, I can die when I want to.” To prove it one takes poison and his story ends there. It was not he who commits suicide to prove death is in his hands, but it is his preordained moments he hugs. It is a big concept, must be understand as a whole not bit by bit.[/FONT][/B] But if he/she changes then that would again voilate the rule that "everything is prewritten". [B]As said earlier, realistically there is no change save for an illusion[/B] Does this mean that no body can create time machine and no body can know the future??? [B]Absolutely true, you take a test, you did well, you can predict” I am going to pass certainly”[/B] [B]Watching the satellite and predicting’ it will rain tomorrow” is the only possible way of knowing the real truth stored in future event, unfortunately that also falls short as some time face and speed of winds can affect that predictions.[/B] If yes then how guru ji was able to see future? [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/Gurdeep/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif[/IMG] [B]Stay cool, Guru ji never claimed to predict future, if here or there something was said and it turned to be true, it was also a part of “LORD"S’ JOR” ( jor=power) Those Visions also fall under His Jor as per Guru ji.[/B] [B][FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਸੁ[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਹਥਿ[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਜੋਰੁ[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਿ[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਵੇਖੈ[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Raavi]ਸੋਇ[/FONT][FONT=Helvetica] [/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=DevanagariMT][/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Helvetica]jis hathh jor kar vaekhai soe ||[/FONT][/B] [FONT=Helvetica][B]The only who has all this power watches after having created. It(world).[/B][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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