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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 76643" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Thank you for making it clear, so everyone understands the Christian idea of a "spiritual transformation". Is it working for you? It seems that we have both used the same words, but with a different meaning. Jesus would not have made the kind of assertions that you are making in a Sikh discussion forum. He would have known the answers to many of your questions. A spiritually mature Sikh knows what Jesus meant, as well. Such a Sikh needs no arguments!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Almost all of the rest of your post can be lumped into one word - empty argument (sorry, two words). How should one respond?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Let me explain some more. (Another 2900+ words) (We have gone through this a zillion times before) Let us imagine for a moment, you visit me and I introduce my parents to you, who have nurtured me and raised me. You ask, "How do you know this is your father and not the gardener who I saw pruning the bushes?" Then I introduce my mother to you. You contend, "What is the proof that she is your mother and not who I saw cooking in the kitchen?" I can go on and on. The point is what should one do in such a situation?</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">This forum is not my house and I do not assume the authority to "allow" or "disallow" some activity at this site. I can only suggest, that we respect the Sikh principles here and try to raise only intelligent and honest questions. I look at **** Barrett as an ideal to follow. I will admit that when I see something I do not like, I could not be as considerate and restrained as he is!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Proof of the validity of a Guru's teaching lies in practice, not discussion. We have the proof, but it cannot be shown. Regardless of what Bible preaches - In the Sikh faith, prophecy is not an honored option as a proof of validity. I think I have already made this very clear. You probably did not understand the spiritual reasons I gave. Perhaps you did not read everything.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The right way to spread the Truth is, to work on that spiritual transformation in our own self. We all talk about it but only a handful actually have it! We are all trying to find it and promote it. We need to support each other in our search of Truth, not waste time in arguing that my way is the ONLY way. That is the Sikh way.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I cannot speak for everyone. I would assume that we do want to identify, and try to weed out our mistakes along the way. But we cannot assume the task of our Ten Sikh Masters and rewrite the practices of the Sikh Panth. Those who have serious doubts about the foundation of Sikh Panth, or the Authority of Shri Guru Granth Sahib, should feel free to practice what they like. God made (Or, allowed the humans to make) all the different religions for such people. This is not the place to argue about it.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I enjoy a discussion that would lead to development of a set of intelligent answers to intelligent questions about the Sikh Faith. This is why I enter into some arguments. However, people tend to forget easily that Sikh Panth is a FAITH and A WAY OF LIVING, not theology. Regardless of what some Sikh "scholars" have tried to describe, in Guru's view, discussions and arguments on theology are simply a distraction, as others have pointed out also.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I can understand what you and S Jass Singh Ji is trying to do, however, in a manner completely different from each other. Evangelism, in its present form is a Semitic trait. The Christians do not have a choice, because the Bible teaches that God's Word (which, of course, is only the Holy Bible) has to be preached to EVERYONE on this earth. The Sikhs, however, do not suffer from this disease. They have no desire to "convert" anyone.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Before you start posting Christian theology and keep wasting our time while we try to respond to your assertions, I would like to remind you that this is a discussion forum for Sikh faith, not Christian faith. I assume I can safely speak for the moderators that all are welcome to participate as long as they respect this.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Guru Nanak made an effort to "Spread the Word". He traveled extensively. He went to distant places, and places where he could get greatest exposure. If we examine just his travels and his work, in the absence of locomotion, it would not be physically possible for a human to accomplish, in one lifetime.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">However, Guru Nanak did not engage in such hard labor to force his own opinion on others. He was here to spread only God's message. Today, the Internet seems to be a good medium to do the same. Guru Nanak taught a Muslim how to become a better Muslim, a Hindu how to become a better Hindu, and so on, because, a life lived in true worship of God is beyond petty arguments about one religion, or theology, against another. Such arguments would never end. Jesus would agree.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">These quotes might help some readers:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"One may read all the books of the Vedas, the Bible, the Simritees and the</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Shaastras, but they will not bring liberation. One who, as Gurmukh, chants the One Word, acquires a spotlessly pure reputation. || 3 ||" (SGGS p.747)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"If the Invisible and Infinite Lord dwells within my mind, even for</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">a moment, then all my pains, troubles, and diseases vanish. || 1 || I am a sacrifice to my Lord Master. Meditating on Him, a great joy wells up within my mind and body. || 1 || Pause || I have heard only a little bit of news about the True Lord Master. I have obtained the peace of all peace, O my mother; I cannot estimate its worth. || 2 || He is so beautiful to my eyes; beholding Him, I have been bewitched. I am worthless, O my mother; He Himself has attached me to the hem of His robe. || 3 || He is beyond the world of the Vedas, the Koran and the Bible. The Supreme King of Nanak is immanent and manifest. || 4 ||" (SGGS p.397)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(Translated by Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Some call Him Rama, Rama, others bow to Allah, while others would serve only Krishna. Some run to a Hindu pilgrimage, others say only a Haj will do, while others say only Hindu Puja is accepted. Some chant the Vedas others want only Koran. Lord, have mercy on them. Nanak says, those who live by His will, get to know the secret truth of my beloved Master (Then, all these differences become irrelevant!)." (SGGS, p.885)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"God's servant worships Ram Nam. When someone talks evil of him, he does not lose his serenity and simply continues in his virtue. He knows that God is in everything and everyone. God created everything. (He created the contenders also, for some reason). God gives people wisdom and, He Himself makes people do what they do. When it pleases God, He lets them find the True Guru. This resolves all their quibbling." (SGGS, p.720)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">*****</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">I tried to avoid this. But, since, "Prophecy" seems to be so important to you as a Christian; I will throw some material here for you to chew on. It is from another source. Please do not ask me any further details. I do not have the time ("Yeah, right!" You will say). As a Sikh, they are not important to me. Based on the following, you are free to do your own research on prophecy about the coming of Guru Nanak!</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Perhaps more than any Prophet in history Nanak's coming on Earth was predicted profusely with uncanny accuracy as recorded in some detail below. This has resulted after long and arduous research into the ancient doctrines many dating thousands of years before his actual birth. These are numerically listed below for ease of reference, not necessarily in chronological order. The Vedas and Puranas in which these direct references have been found recorded, are known to be amongst the oldest chronicles in the world. These references are as under:</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama chakaar (8)"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus -</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "Sri Nanak gureng vareng saklaath heythoo. Heitha samasth jagathaa va veithee kaetheng"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(iii) At another position in the same Vedas is entered under Mandala 1 Soothak 5 and in the 7th Mantra thus -</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "Eeth eethei Vishnu reinn chakramei threihaa nathathei patham"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"The Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three attributes. As an Avtar propounding Truth, as a Householder establishing family life and at the same time be a Raja Yogi"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">2. The YUJAR VEDA</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">As in the RIG VEDA quoted above, in the YUJAR VEDA also the Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three main characteristics thus - </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "Vishnu bee chakrageih treithaa neikthei patham samudhseiaa paaeh serei swahaa"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Vishnu will appear again, manifesting three main characteristics, Avtarhood,Householder family life and be a Rajah Yogi as well"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Although in the above two quotations the name of Nanak does not directly appear, reference to being a householder family man, would point to him because he was among the first few Avtars (prophets) who was married and begetting children.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Incidentally in Hindu mythology, VISHNU is the primordial Godhead Prophet, who incarnates on Earth taking many differing forms and the ensuing names thereto.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Baavekhath" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advant of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder - </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(i) "Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power. He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of the sinful ways"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advant of Nanak</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human, in the form of one whose name will be NANAK</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical mainisfestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual liminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : -</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"When in the world there is the deteriorization of noble Dharma, then Vishnu will re-incarnate through 10 Prophethoods and will preach on the universal and omnipotent value of NAAM. (the Holy Life Force)"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">4. In DHIGVAJEH PURANA</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"During the reign of the 8 Muslim rulers, Vishnu will incarnate in 10 human forms and after them will appear a (Mona) SILENT Guru (meaning the SGGS, the Sikh Scripture) who will only respond where the response is solicited."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The word SILENT is of great importance - it refers to the Sikh Scriptural Book (SGGS). This is the first time in the history of Religion that a Sacred Book was elevated to the status of a Prophet. Unlike a Prophet in body form with the inherent capacity to make utterances, a Book has to be categorized</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">as being basically 'Silent'. This is indeed a startling revelation, pinpointing the coming into the world of a (mona) Silent Guru, thousands of years before the actual occurrence.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The eight Muslim Rulers were 1. - Sultan Lodhi, 2. - Babar, 3. - Humanyuh, 4. - Akbar, 5 - Jehangir, 6 - Shah Jahan, 7 - Aurangzeb, 8 - Bahadur Shah, These precisely were the Rulers in India during the period in which the 10th Sikh Guru came into being. This further emphasizes the authenticity of the revelation and the happening.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">5. Through PATANJALI the great Indian (Hindu) Sage</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Patanjali, one of the top Indian Yogis of old, came 2180 years before Guru Nanak. In his Ashram while lecturing on the Prophets of the Kali Yuga, the Iron Age, he singled out Guru Nanak as the one who will be outstanding. When asked what will be his prime mantra, He replied. - </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "Wahyanti karyanti jathputi athak etwaha brahamadeya, teisah Gur et WAHEGURU"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "He will use a unique single syllable mantra which has not been utilized before at any Age or Era. This will be WAHEGURU."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Waheguru mantra, which means "Lord of Wonderment" has since been popularised by Guru Nanak and all the nine other Sikh Gurus that followed him.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">6. In VISHNU PURANA</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">In the VISHNU PURANA there is recorded an interesting dialogue between VISHNU and a famous Rishi UMBREEK. Vishnu is said to have informed Umbreek that he will once again take birth in the Kali Yuga. The Rishi then enquired when about will that be and what will be your name then? Vishnu replied that this will happen when the Kali Yuga has proceeded for 4500 years and that I will take birth in the Shatri Sooraj Bansi clan, when I will be named, NANAK.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">In this same Purana it is further recorded: - </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "Sri Nanak santang saageaami Sri asech, sri asech, sri asech, sri asech"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"Sri NANAK will once again appear in the world in a variety of incarnations; this is for sure, this is for sure, this is for sure."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Computing the date of Guru Nanak's birth from the above mentioned figure that took place when the Kali Yuga had proceeded for 4550 years, reckoning the total durations of Kali Yuga now to be about 5090 old. It is to be noted that this figure of 4550 is pretty close to the 4500 years predicted by VISHNU JI above. Incidentally, the clan in which Guru Nanak was born was also known as a Shatri Sooraj Bansi indicated above.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">CONCLUSION</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">From the above it is evident that Guru Nanak must have had the largest number of premonitional references to his coming compared to the advent of the other Prophets in all the various Ages and Epochs. Therefore the Prophet Guru Nanak's advent into the world is indeed of millennial significance to even the coming future times.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">NANAK</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">The word NANAK is a combination of two sanskrit terms. 'Na" and 'Anak'. The meaning attached to these words is "Not-but-One". The message conveyed by the Guru's name and the education imparted by him through the Sacred Scriptual verses, usually commence with the words "Ik Oengkar". This phrase too means Non-but-One. One God only.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">MOOL MANTRA </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">There is a very interesting episode in Guru Nanak's illustrious life. When he was still very young, even before his `teens, he took a dip into the river alongside his house for his regular morning ablutions, but this time he dissapeared into the waters, missing for two days and nights. On the third day he re-appeared from out of the water with the following Verse on his lips, which is now called the MOOL MANTRA (the primordal Mantra ), which appers at the commencement of every Chapter and sub-Chapter in the SGGS, the Sacred Scripture of the Sikhs. It is one of the most comprehensive definitions of God and is amongst the most powerful of all the world's Mantras.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">This is how the Mool Mantra reads in its original version. -</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"> "Ek Oengkaar Satnaam Karta purekh Nirbhau Nirvair Akaal Moorat Ajoonee Sai-Bhang Gurparsaath"</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">meaning</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">"The True One and only Omnipresent Immortal Essence of Reality. The Creator, the Omniscient and Omnipotent, the Incomprehensible (the fearless). Before all Beginnings and after all Endings. Beyond Time, Space and Form (and enmity). Free from the cycle of Births and Deaths, the Self-manifested. The Loving Merciful Enlightener (Realised with His Grace through total Submission to His Will)."</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">*****</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px">Humbly</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="mailto:Yasingh@concentric.net">Yasingh@concentric.net</a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><a href="http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/E669F6CAF84676D98725662400733DFE!OpenDocument" target="_blank">Re: "PROPHECY" and Sikh Faith</a></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 76643, member: 5290"] [FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2] Thank you for making it clear, so everyone understands the Christian idea of a "spiritual transformation". Is it working for you? It seems that we have both used the same words, but with a different meaning. Jesus would not have made the kind of assertions that you are making in a Sikh discussion forum. He would have known the answers to many of your questions. A spiritually mature Sikh knows what Jesus meant, as well. Such a Sikh needs no arguments! Almost all of the rest of your post can be lumped into one word - empty argument (sorry, two words). How should one respond? Let me explain some more. (Another 2900+ words) (We have gone through this a zillion times before) Let us imagine for a moment, you visit me and I introduce my parents to you, who have nurtured me and raised me. You ask, "How do you know this is your father and not the gardener who I saw pruning the bushes?" Then I introduce my mother to you. You contend, "What is the proof that she is your mother and not who I saw cooking in the kitchen?" I can go on and on. The point is what should one do in such a situation? This forum is not my house and I do not assume the authority to "allow" or "disallow" some activity at this site. I can only suggest, that we respect the Sikh principles here and try to raise only intelligent and honest questions. I look at **** Barrett as an ideal to follow. I will admit that when I see something I do not like, I could not be as considerate and restrained as he is! Proof of the validity of a Guru's teaching lies in practice, not discussion. We have the proof, but it cannot be shown. Regardless of what Bible preaches - In the Sikh faith, prophecy is not an honored option as a proof of validity. I think I have already made this very clear. You probably did not understand the spiritual reasons I gave. Perhaps you did not read everything. The right way to spread the Truth is, to work on that spiritual transformation in our own self. We all talk about it but only a handful actually have it! We are all trying to find it and promote it. We need to support each other in our search of Truth, not waste time in arguing that my way is the ONLY way. That is the Sikh way. I cannot speak for everyone. I would assume that we do want to identify, and try to weed out our mistakes along the way. But we cannot assume the task of our Ten Sikh Masters and rewrite the practices of the Sikh Panth. Those who have serious doubts about the foundation of Sikh Panth, or the Authority of Shri Guru Granth Sahib, should feel free to practice what they like. God made (Or, allowed the humans to make) all the different religions for such people. This is not the place to argue about it. I enjoy a discussion that would lead to development of a set of intelligent answers to intelligent questions about the Sikh Faith. This is why I enter into some arguments. However, people tend to forget easily that Sikh Panth is a FAITH and A WAY OF LIVING, not theology. Regardless of what some Sikh "scholars" have tried to describe, in Guru's view, discussions and arguments on theology are simply a distraction, as others have pointed out also. I can understand what you and S Jass Singh Ji is trying to do, however, in a manner completely different from each other. Evangelism, in its present form is a Semitic trait. The Christians do not have a choice, because the Bible teaches that God's Word (which, of course, is only the Holy Bible) has to be preached to EVERYONE on this earth. The Sikhs, however, do not suffer from this disease. They have no desire to "convert" anyone. Before you start posting Christian theology and keep wasting our time while we try to respond to your assertions, I would like to remind you that this is a discussion forum for Sikh faith, not Christian faith. I assume I can safely speak for the moderators that all are welcome to participate as long as they respect this. Guru Nanak made an effort to "Spread the Word". He traveled extensively. He went to distant places, and places where he could get greatest exposure. If we examine just his travels and his work, in the absence of locomotion, it would not be physically possible for a human to accomplish, in one lifetime. However, Guru Nanak did not engage in such hard labor to force his own opinion on others. He was here to spread only God's message. Today, the Internet seems to be a good medium to do the same. Guru Nanak taught a Muslim how to become a better Muslim, a Hindu how to become a better Hindu, and so on, because, a life lived in true worship of God is beyond petty arguments about one religion, or theology, against another. Such arguments would never end. Jesus would agree. These quotes might help some readers: "One may read all the books of the Vedas, the Bible, the Simritees and the Shaastras, but they will not bring liberation. One who, as Gurmukh, chants the One Word, acquires a spotlessly pure reputation. || 3 ||" (SGGS p.747) "If the Invisible and Infinite Lord dwells within my mind, even for a moment, then all my pains, troubles, and diseases vanish. || 1 || I am a sacrifice to my Lord Master. Meditating on Him, a great joy wells up within my mind and body. || 1 || Pause || I have heard only a little bit of news about the True Lord Master. I have obtained the peace of all peace, O my mother; I cannot estimate its worth. || 2 || He is so beautiful to my eyes; beholding Him, I have been bewitched. I am worthless, O my mother; He Himself has attached me to the hem of His robe. || 3 || He is beyond the world of the Vedas, the Koran and the Bible. The Supreme King of Nanak is immanent and manifest. || 4 ||" (SGGS p.397) (Translated by Dr. Sant Singh Khalsa) "Some call Him Rama, Rama, others bow to Allah, while others would serve only Krishna. Some run to a Hindu pilgrimage, others say only a Haj will do, while others say only Hindu Puja is accepted. Some chant the Vedas others want only Koran. Lord, have mercy on them. Nanak says, those who live by His will, get to know the secret truth of my beloved Master (Then, all these differences become irrelevant!)." (SGGS, p.885) "God's servant worships Ram Nam. When someone talks evil of him, he does not lose his serenity and simply continues in his virtue. He knows that God is in everything and everyone. God created everything. (He created the contenders also, for some reason). God gives people wisdom and, He Himself makes people do what they do. When it pleases God, He lets them find the True Guru. This resolves all their quibbling." (SGGS, p.720) ***** I tried to avoid this. But, since, "Prophecy" seems to be so important to you as a Christian; I will throw some material here for you to chew on. It is from another source. Please do not ask me any further details. I do not have the time ("Yeah, right!" You will say). As a Sikh, they are not important to me. Based on the following, you are free to do your own research on prophecy about the coming of Guru Nanak! "Perhaps more than any Prophet in history Nanak's coming on Earth was predicted profusely with uncanny accuracy as recorded in some detail below. This has resulted after long and arduous research into the ancient doctrines many dating thousands of years before his actual birth. These are numerically listed below for ease of reference, not necessarily in chronological order. The Vedas and Puranas in which these direct references have been found recorded, are known to be amongst the oldest chronicles in the world. These references are as under: 1. In the Hindu epic the RIG VEDA (i) In Mandala 7, Ush 5, Mantra 5 and Chapter 6 "Bee chakram prithoi aishai ta khestraaeh Vishnu mansai das sayaan throvaah so asaya keeryo janaas oeroo khashatra so janama chakaar (8)" meaning "when in the world the sinful ways will be on the rise and noble behavior will vanish, as the disappearance of the moon when on its wane on the darkest night, there will appear Vishnu as a prominent Prophet from the Keshatra Clan and will manifest in consecutive form through 10 Prophets to bring back the ways of virtue to the ailing world." (ii) In the same Vedas, in another part even in the name NANAK and the clan he belongs to is recorded thus - "Sri Nanak gureng vareng saklaath heythoo. Heitha samasth jagathaa va veithee kaetheng" meaning "For the preaching of religious ways and the earning of good karma, there will manifest Guru NANAK from the clan of the Veithees" (iii) At another position in the same Vedas is entered under Mandala 1 Soothak 5 and in the 7th Mantra thus - "Eeth eethei Vishnu reinn chakramei threihaa nathathei patham" meaning "The Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three attributes. As an Avtar propounding Truth, as a Householder establishing family life and at the same time be a Raja Yogi" 2. The YUJAR VEDA As in the RIG VEDA quoted above, in the YUJAR VEDA also the Prophet in the Kali Yuga will manifest three main characteristics thus - "Vishnu bee chakrageih treithaa neikthei patham samudhseiaa paaeh serei swahaa" meaning "Vishnu will appear again, manifesting three main characteristics, Avtarhood,Householder family life and be a Rajah Yogi as well" Although in the above two quotations the name of Nanak does not directly appear, reference to being a householder family man, would point to him because he was among the first few Avtars (prophets) who was married and begetting children. Incidentally in Hindu mythology, VISHNU is the primordial Godhead Prophet, who incarnates on Earth taking many differing forms and the ensuing names thereto. 3. In the BHAVEKHATH PURANA "Baavekhath" means "future foretelling". There are numerous places in this famous Hindu epic where the advant of Guru NANAK is directly alluded to. These instances are listed hereunder - (i) "Theraa bhaareng thereshtwah keli krethem maha krethyaa. Aeveng vaee tharam parchaariang bhavekhthee thaa kalau. Thatha vei loka rakheiaartheng maleishana naas heithwei paschmeitlheng subh theisay vath wensei chei Nanaka naam nach rekhiang brahem geaanaik manas bhavekhet kaloe skunth thatar verth kaleaah har (35)." meaning "In the Kali Yuga when goodness in the world is deteriorating there will appear a Prophet from the Beithi clan named NANAK who from birth will be endowed with extra-ordinary spiritual power. He will preach on the nobility of life and the eradication of the sinful ways" (ii) In another portion of this book the following short cogent quotation supplies further pertinent information on the advant of Nanak "Guru thaa Brahma, Guru raa Vishnu, Guru raa dev maheshra saakhyaar Parbrehem Thasmei NANAK nameh" meaning "The Guru of the prophets, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiv ji is God almighty himself. This very Creator will manifest itself as a human, in the form of one whose name will be NANAK Note the clarity and explicitness in which the coming of Nanak is predicted. (iii) Further down in this book is recorded the following detailed assertiveness about Nanak and the type of mission and work he shall perform. It appears to emanate from the Godhead itself. "The Kali Yuga shall dawn on Earth with radical mainisfestation of destruction of Karma and Dharma to such an extent that every situation shall be colored by sinful activities. At that distressful moment, the Creator shall send down a spiritual liminary in the form of NANAK from the Khatria clan. He will spread the message of NAAM, the Holy life Force, by introducing the primacy of meditation and thus washing clean the sinful ways by the waters of love." Note the beautiful and comprehensive description of the happening. (iv) There is yet another quotation from this same Bhavekhath Purana indicative of Nanak and the 9 prophets that consecutively followed his lineage : - "When in the world there is the deteriorization of noble Dharma, then Vishnu will re-incarnate through 10 Prophethoods and will preach on the universal and omnipotent value of NAAM. (the Holy Life Force)" 4. In DHIGVAJEH PURANA "During the reign of the 8 Muslim rulers, Vishnu will incarnate in 10 human forms and after them will appear a (Mona) SILENT Guru (meaning the SGGS, the Sikh Scripture) who will only respond where the response is solicited." The word SILENT is of great importance - it refers to the Sikh Scriptural Book (SGGS). This is the first time in the history of Religion that a Sacred Book was elevated to the status of a Prophet. Unlike a Prophet in body form with the inherent capacity to make utterances, a Book has to be categorized as being basically 'Silent'. This is indeed a startling revelation, pinpointing the coming into the world of a (mona) Silent Guru, thousands of years before the actual occurrence. The eight Muslim Rulers were 1. - Sultan Lodhi, 2. - Babar, 3. - Humanyuh, 4. - Akbar, 5 - Jehangir, 6 - Shah Jahan, 7 - Aurangzeb, 8 - Bahadur Shah, These precisely were the Rulers in India during the period in which the 10th Sikh Guru came into being. This further emphasizes the authenticity of the revelation and the happening. 5. Through PATANJALI the great Indian (Hindu) Sage Patanjali, one of the top Indian Yogis of old, came 2180 years before Guru Nanak. In his Ashram while lecturing on the Prophets of the Kali Yuga, the Iron Age, he singled out Guru Nanak as the one who will be outstanding. When asked what will be his prime mantra, He replied. - "Wahyanti karyanti jathputi athak etwaha brahamadeya, teisah Gur et WAHEGURU" meaning "He will use a unique single syllable mantra which has not been utilized before at any Age or Era. This will be WAHEGURU." Waheguru mantra, which means "Lord of Wonderment" has since been popularised by Guru Nanak and all the nine other Sikh Gurus that followed him. 6. In VISHNU PURANA In the VISHNU PURANA there is recorded an interesting dialogue between VISHNU and a famous Rishi UMBREEK. Vishnu is said to have informed Umbreek that he will once again take birth in the Kali Yuga. The Rishi then enquired when about will that be and what will be your name then? Vishnu replied that this will happen when the Kali Yuga has proceeded for 4500 years and that I will take birth in the Shatri Sooraj Bansi clan, when I will be named, NANAK. In this same Purana it is further recorded: - "Sri Nanak santang saageaami Sri asech, sri asech, sri asech, sri asech" meaning "Sri NANAK will once again appear in the world in a variety of incarnations; this is for sure, this is for sure, this is for sure." Computing the date of Guru Nanak's birth from the above mentioned figure that took place when the Kali Yuga had proceeded for 4550 years, reckoning the total durations of Kali Yuga now to be about 5090 old. It is to be noted that this figure of 4550 is pretty close to the 4500 years predicted by VISHNU JI above. Incidentally, the clan in which Guru Nanak was born was also known as a Shatri Sooraj Bansi indicated above. CONCLUSION From the above it is evident that Guru Nanak must have had the largest number of premonitional references to his coming compared to the advent of the other Prophets in all the various Ages and Epochs. Therefore the Prophet Guru Nanak's advent into the world is indeed of millennial significance to even the coming future times. NANAK The word NANAK is a combination of two sanskrit terms. 'Na" and 'Anak'. The meaning attached to these words is "Not-but-One". The message conveyed by the Guru's name and the education imparted by him through the Sacred Scriptual verses, usually commence with the words "Ik Oengkar". This phrase too means Non-but-One. One God only. MOOL MANTRA There is a very interesting episode in Guru Nanak's illustrious life. When he was still very young, even before his `teens, he took a dip into the river alongside his house for his regular morning ablutions, but this time he dissapeared into the waters, missing for two days and nights. On the third day he re-appeared from out of the water with the following Verse on his lips, which is now called the MOOL MANTRA (the primordal Mantra ), which appers at the commencement of every Chapter and sub-Chapter in the SGGS, the Sacred Scripture of the Sikhs. It is one of the most comprehensive definitions of God and is amongst the most powerful of all the world's Mantras. This is how the Mool Mantra reads in its original version. - "Ek Oengkaar Satnaam Karta purekh Nirbhau Nirvair Akaal Moorat Ajoonee Sai-Bhang Gurparsaath" meaning "The True One and only Omnipresent Immortal Essence of Reality. The Creator, the Omniscient and Omnipotent, the Incomprehensible (the fearless). Before all Beginnings and after all Endings. Beyond Time, Space and Form (and enmity). Free from the cycle of Births and Deaths, the Self-manifested. The Loving Merciful Enlightener (Realised with His Grace through total Submission to His Will)." ***** Humbly [EMAIL="Yasingh@concentric.net"]Yasingh@concentric.net[/EMAIL] [url=http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/E669F6CAF84676D98725662400733DFE!OpenDocument]Re: "PROPHECY" and Sikh Faith[/url] [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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