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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 76630" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><u><strong>EXTRACTS Of HEAVEN & HELL IN sikhism</strong></u><span style="color: black">Please refer to :</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Thaakur sarbe samanaa: God is all-pervading everywhere (sggs 51).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Paarbraham aprampar devaa. Agam agochar alakh abhevaa: The Supreme Being is Infinite and Divine; He is Inaccessible, Incomprehensible, Invisible and Inscrutable (sggs 98).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Is gufaa mahi ik thaan suhaaiaa: There is beautiful place within this cave of the Heart (sggs 126). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Pritam basat rid mahi khor: My Beloved lives in the cave of my Heart (sggs 1121). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Is gufaa mahi akhut bhandaaraa. Tis vich vasai hari alakh apaaraa: Within the cave of Heart, there is an inexhaustible treasure. Within this cave, the Invisible and Infinite Lord abides. He Himself is hidden, and He Himself is revealed; He is realized through the Shabad (sggs 124). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Aap pachhaanai ghar vasai haumai trisnaa jaai: Through Self-Realization, one dwells Within the Home of his inner Being; egotism and desire depart (sggs 57). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Aatam mahi Ram ram mahi aatam cheenas Gur beechaaraa: God is in the Soul, and the Soul is in God. This is realized through the Gurmat (1153). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Brahm deesai Brahm suneeyai ek ek vakhaaneeyai. Aatam pasaaraa karan haaraa parabh binaa nahee jaaneeyai: The One Unique Reality is seen everywhere, the Unstruck Celestial Music is heard everywhere, the One Creator is present in all creation; there is none else than He Himself everywhere (sggs 846). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tohee mohee mohee tohee antar kaisaa. Kanak katik jal trang jaisaa: O Lord, You are me, and I am You — what is the difference between us? We are like gold and the bracelet, or water and the waves (sggs 93). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sagal Banaspati mahi baisantar sagal duudh mai gheeyaa. Ooch neech mahi joti samaanee ghat ghat maadhayu jeeyaa: Just as the fire is contained in all firewood and butter is contained in all milk; so too is God’s Light contained in the high and the low; the Lord is in the hearts of all beings (sggs 617). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Aatam Ram Ram hai aatam Hari paayeeyai Shabad veechaaraa hai: The soul is the Lord, and the Lord is the soul; by engaging in the Shabad Vichaar, the Lord is found (sggs 1030).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ghar baithiyaan Hari paaye sadaaa chit laaye sahje sat subhaaye: You wiall obtain God while sitting within the home of your own being, focusing your consciousness constantly upon Him, with true intuitive faith (sggs 246). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Bin Shabdai Pir na paayeeai birthaa janam gavaay: Without the Shabad, one does not find her Husband Lord, and her life wastes away in vain (sggs 31). </span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">“love has to have an object”</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">this is the bone of contention you believe that god is an object I believe an object is a form of his creation and we embrace the lord through love of his attributes as you have quite rightly said:</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">“mool mantra – “Ek onkar Satnam karta Purukh”</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">also </span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Bholae bhaae milae raghuraaeiaa :Through innocent Love, God is met (sggs 324). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Saglee jot jaataa too soee miliaa bhaae subhaaeae: Your Light is in everyone; through it, You are known. Through Love, You are naturally met (sggs 764). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Saach kahon sun leho sabhai jin prem keeo tin hee prabh paaio: Listen all, I tell you the Truth: One who practices love attains God (Paatshaahee 10).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ras prem bharee kashu bol na jaanee: I am filled with the Sublime Essence of Divine Love, and I do not know how to say anything now (sggs 459).</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Intellect is not a requirement for love we all go crazy when we fall in love intellect and sanity is lost. God does not exist in nature he is outside the realms of body/mind understanding we have to first realise our spirit then we can understand otherwise your level of understanding is taking a quantum leap hence we are manmukh, until we are gurmukh we see things that can be reasoned through this mind.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">“You keep arguing for heaven and hell as here and now, without evidence from the SGGS. Was that the intent of the original authors or is it an interpretation that you are reading into it?”</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">The fact that reincarnation exists ie guru gobind singh was reincarnated from his previous birth as dusht daman and plenty of other references which have been discussed before, what more reference do you need, evidence? There will be no recorded account on video so I suggest that if blind faith from here onwards is not enough for you, you must get direct personal experience first by following the path of gurmat and then decide to do vichar on srii guru granth sahib other than that you will always be confounded. Heres some references for you to mull over:</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jevehe karam kamaavadaa tevehe phalte: According to the deeds which one does, so are the fruits one obtains (sggs 317). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kirat payiaa na metai koyi: Past actions cannot be erased (sggs 154). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jehaa beejai so lunai karma sandraa khet: As the man sows so does he reap. Such is the field of actions (sggs 134). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Kirat karam ke veeshure...: By the actions we have committed, we are separated from You.... (sggs 133). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Karnee kaagad man masvaan buraa bhalaa dui lekh pae. Jiyu jiyu kirat chalaae tiyu chaleeai tayu gun naahee ant hare: Actions are the paper, and the mind is the ink; good and bad are both recorded upon it. As their past actions drive them, so are mortals driven. There is no end to Your Glorious Virtues, Lord (sggs 990). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Ahi karu kare su ahi karu paaye koee na pakarreeai kisai thaai: As we act, so are the rewards we receive; no one can take the place of another (sggs 406). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Karmee aavai kaparhaa nadree mokh duaar: By the Karma of the past actions the robe of this physical body is obtained, and by God's Grace the gate of salvation (sggs 2). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Haumai sabh sareer hai hayumai opati hoe: Ego is within all the bodies; and through ego the beings are born (sggs 560). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Sanjogee aayaa kirt kamaayaa karnee kaar kamayee: By the good fortune of good deeds done in the past, you have come, and now you perform actions to determine your future (sggs 75). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Poorab janam ko lekh na mitayee janam marai ka kayu dos dhare: The record of one’s past actions cannot be erased; who else is to blame for one’s birth and death (sggs ). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Nanak kamaanaa sang juliyaa nah jaayi kirat mitaayaa: Nanak, only your actions will go with you; the consequences of your actions cannot be erased (sggs 460). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Janam maran dukh pher karam jeeya janam te shoote: The pains of birth and death come from past actions and karma; peace comes when the soul finds release from reincarnation (sggs 475). </span></p><p><span style="color: black">Good deeds and bad deeds—the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma or Justice. According to their own actions, some are drawn closer to God, and some are driven ****her away. Those who have meditated on the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked righteously — O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them (sggs 9).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Hell being 84-lak species?</span></p><p><span style="color: black">On page 1028 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib between verse 8-9 of Maru M1:</span></p><p><span style="color: black">“And lo, one is drowned in the well of hell, and comes to sorrow as the fish does the fish without water,</span></p><p><span style="color: black">the worshipper of maya comes to pass through the hell of the 84-lak species”</span></p><p><span style="color: black">So the fish is in its created stae and the hell for it in this creation is to be without water in the same sense a human being will also suffer what causes it hell within the domains of its creation. The second line speaks for itself. Now I am going to say something which is gonna sound like I contradicted my self but I havn’t and that is there are hell places which are assigned to souls by dharamraja but they do not have eternal suffering they all come back to the wheel of 84 after their due. Remember Jass Singh Ji the teachings are a direct revelation from something which is formless and everywhere at the same time therefore the teachings also cannot be black and white they resemble an overarching definition and when looked at in their totality they give credence to all definitions of heaven and hell reincarnation and suffering, there is space for all faith definitions within the domains of sikhi.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Cannot use words to describe the spiritual experience:</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Braham giaanee kaa kathiaa na jaai adhaakhyar: The God-conscious being cannot be described in words (sggs 273).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Oochaa agam apaar prabh kathan na jaae akath: God is lofty, unapproachable and infinite. He is indescribable — He cannot be described (sggs 704).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jahaa bol tah ashar aavaa: Wherever there is speech, there are letters (sggs 340).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Baavan ashhar lok trai sabh kashu in hee maahi. Ae akhar khir jaahigae oue akhar in mahi naahi: Through these fifty-two letters, the entire world and all things are described. But these letters will perish; and those letters (which can describe the state of Self-realization or God-experience) are not in these letters (sggs 340).</span></p><p><span style="color: black">Tol atol na toleeai tul na tulaa dhaar tolaayaa. Lekh alekh na likheeai ang na akhar lekh lakhaayaa: God's extension can in no way be measured. By no account it can be understood because all numerals and letters come to an end for this (Vaars Bhai Gurdaas 16).</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Alekh hain: God is indescribable (Paatshaahee 10, Jaap Saahib 30</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Just before I go I would like to say that you keep giving your opinion of what god is and what the soul is using the methods of logical deduction we do not see philosophy and science as a tool to be measured against, all other religious system will be measured against our doctrine as the basic category of Sikhism is the spirit no other religion has such a doctrine therefore body/mind reasoning must and will take second place to the soul/spirit.</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Jhakhi bolan kiya jag siyu vaad. Jhoor marai dekhai parmaad: Why do you talk nonsense and quarrel with the world? Seeing your madness, you will die of repentence in the end (sggs 933).</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">Parr parr pandit baad vakhaanai: The priests, read and read scriptutes endlessly, only to stir up arguments and controversies (sggs 152).</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black">One who reads, while attached to duality, does not understand. He struggle for the mammon, the three-qualitied Maya (sggs 127).</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><a href="http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/FF54B0870381089687256FFF002551B5!OpenDocument" target="_blank">Re: Heaven and hell</a></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 76630, member: 5290"] [U][B]EXTRACTS Of HEAVEN & HELL IN sikhism[/B][/U][COLOR=black]Please refer to : Thaakur sarbe samanaa: God is all-pervading everywhere (sggs 51). Paarbraham aprampar devaa. Agam agochar alakh abhevaa: The Supreme Being is Infinite and Divine; He is Inaccessible, Incomprehensible, Invisible and Inscrutable (sggs 98). Is gufaa mahi ik thaan suhaaiaa: There is beautiful place within this cave of the Heart (sggs 126). Pritam basat rid mahi khor: My Beloved lives in the cave of my Heart (sggs 1121). Is gufaa mahi akhut bhandaaraa. Tis vich vasai hari alakh apaaraa: Within the cave of Heart, there is an inexhaustible treasure. Within this cave, the Invisible and Infinite Lord abides. He Himself is hidden, and He Himself is revealed; He is realized through the Shabad (sggs 124). Aap pachhaanai ghar vasai haumai trisnaa jaai: Through Self-Realization, one dwells Within the Home of his inner Being; egotism and desire depart (sggs 57). Aatam mahi Ram ram mahi aatam cheenas Gur beechaaraa: God is in the Soul, and the Soul is in God. This is realized through the Gurmat (1153). Brahm deesai Brahm suneeyai ek ek vakhaaneeyai. Aatam pasaaraa karan haaraa parabh binaa nahee jaaneeyai: The One Unique Reality is seen everywhere, the Unstruck Celestial Music is heard everywhere, the One Creator is present in all creation; there is none else than He Himself everywhere (sggs 846). Tohee mohee mohee tohee antar kaisaa. Kanak katik jal trang jaisaa: O Lord, You are me, and I am You — what is the difference between us? We are like gold and the bracelet, or water and the waves (sggs 93). Sagal Banaspati mahi baisantar sagal duudh mai gheeyaa. Ooch neech mahi joti samaanee ghat ghat maadhayu jeeyaa: Just as the fire is contained in all firewood and butter is contained in all milk; so too is God’s Light contained in the high and the low; the Lord is in the hearts of all beings (sggs 617). Aatam Ram Ram hai aatam Hari paayeeyai Shabad veechaaraa hai: The soul is the Lord, and the Lord is the soul; by engaging in the Shabad Vichaar, the Lord is found (sggs 1030). Ghar baithiyaan Hari paaye sadaaa chit laaye sahje sat subhaaye: You wiall obtain God while sitting within the home of your own being, focusing your consciousness constantly upon Him, with true intuitive faith (sggs 246). Bin Shabdai Pir na paayeeai birthaa janam gavaay: Without the Shabad, one does not find her Husband Lord, and her life wastes away in vain (sggs 31). “love has to have an object” this is the bone of contention you believe that god is an object I believe an object is a form of his creation and we embrace the lord through love of his attributes as you have quite rightly said: “mool mantra – “Ek onkar Satnam karta Purukh” also Bholae bhaae milae raghuraaeiaa :Through innocent Love, God is met (sggs 324). Saglee jot jaataa too soee miliaa bhaae subhaaeae: Your Light is in everyone; through it, You are known. Through Love, You are naturally met (sggs 764). Saach kahon sun leho sabhai jin prem keeo tin hee prabh paaio: Listen all, I tell you the Truth: One who practices love attains God (Paatshaahee 10). Ras prem bharee kashu bol na jaanee: I am filled with the Sublime Essence of Divine Love, and I do not know how to say anything now (sggs 459). Intellect is not a requirement for love we all go crazy when we fall in love intellect and sanity is lost. God does not exist in nature he is outside the realms of body/mind understanding we have to first realise our spirit then we can understand otherwise your level of understanding is taking a quantum leap hence we are manmukh, until we are gurmukh we see things that can be reasoned through this mind. “You keep arguing for heaven and hell as here and now, without evidence from the SGGS. Was that the intent of the original authors or is it an interpretation that you are reading into it?” The fact that reincarnation exists ie guru gobind singh was reincarnated from his previous birth as dusht daman and plenty of other references which have been discussed before, what more reference do you need, evidence? There will be no recorded account on video so I suggest that if blind faith from here onwards is not enough for you, you must get direct personal experience first by following the path of gurmat and then decide to do vichar on srii guru granth sahib other than that you will always be confounded. Heres some references for you to mull over: Jevehe karam kamaavadaa tevehe phalte: According to the deeds which one does, so are the fruits one obtains (sggs 317). Kirat payiaa na metai koyi: Past actions cannot be erased (sggs 154). Jehaa beejai so lunai karma sandraa khet: As the man sows so does he reap. Such is the field of actions (sggs 134). Kirat karam ke veeshure...: By the actions we have committed, we are separated from You.... (sggs 133). Karnee kaagad man masvaan buraa bhalaa dui lekh pae. Jiyu jiyu kirat chalaae tiyu chaleeai tayu gun naahee ant hare: Actions are the paper, and the mind is the ink; good and bad are both recorded upon it. As their past actions drive them, so are mortals driven. There is no end to Your Glorious Virtues, Lord (sggs 990). Ahi karu kare su ahi karu paaye koee na pakarreeai kisai thaai: As we act, so are the rewards we receive; no one can take the place of another (sggs 406). Karmee aavai kaparhaa nadree mokh duaar: By the Karma of the past actions the robe of this physical body is obtained, and by God's Grace the gate of salvation (sggs 2). Haumai sabh sareer hai hayumai opati hoe: Ego is within all the bodies; and through ego the beings are born (sggs 560). Sanjogee aayaa kirt kamaayaa karnee kaar kamayee: By the good fortune of good deeds done in the past, you have come, and now you perform actions to determine your future (sggs 75). Poorab janam ko lekh na mitayee janam marai ka kayu dos dhare: The record of one’s past actions cannot be erased; who else is to blame for one’s birth and death (sggs ). Nanak kamaanaa sang juliyaa nah jaayi kirat mitaayaa: Nanak, only your actions will go with you; the consequences of your actions cannot be erased (sggs 460). Janam maran dukh pher karam jeeya janam te shoote: The pains of birth and death come from past actions and karma; peace comes when the soul finds release from reincarnation (sggs 475). Good deeds and bad deeds—the record is read out in the Presence of the Lord of Dharma or Justice. According to their own actions, some are drawn closer to God, and some are driven ****her away. Those who have meditated on the Name of the Lord, and departed after having worked righteously — O Nanak, their faces are radiant in the Court of the Lord, and many are saved along with them (sggs 9). Hell being 84-lak species? On page 1028 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib between verse 8-9 of Maru M1: “And lo, one is drowned in the well of hell, and comes to sorrow as the fish does the fish without water, the worshipper of maya comes to pass through the hell of the 84-lak species” So the fish is in its created stae and the hell for it in this creation is to be without water in the same sense a human being will also suffer what causes it hell within the domains of its creation. The second line speaks for itself. Now I am going to say something which is gonna sound like I contradicted my self but I havn’t and that is there are hell places which are assigned to souls by dharamraja but they do not have eternal suffering they all come back to the wheel of 84 after their due. Remember Jass Singh Ji the teachings are a direct revelation from something which is formless and everywhere at the same time therefore the teachings also cannot be black and white they resemble an overarching definition and when looked at in their totality they give credence to all definitions of heaven and hell reincarnation and suffering, there is space for all faith definitions within the domains of sikhi. Cannot use words to describe the spiritual experience: Braham giaanee kaa kathiaa na jaai adhaakhyar: The God-conscious being cannot be described in words (sggs 273). Oochaa agam apaar prabh kathan na jaae akath: God is lofty, unapproachable and infinite. He is indescribable — He cannot be described (sggs 704). Jahaa bol tah ashar aavaa: Wherever there is speech, there are letters (sggs 340). Baavan ashhar lok trai sabh kashu in hee maahi. Ae akhar khir jaahigae oue akhar in mahi naahi: Through these fifty-two letters, the entire world and all things are described. But these letters will perish; and those letters (which can describe the state of Self-realization or God-experience) are not in these letters (sggs 340). Tol atol na toleeai tul na tulaa dhaar tolaayaa. Lekh alekh na likheeai ang na akhar lekh lakhaayaa: God's extension can in no way be measured. By no account it can be understood because all numerals and letters come to an end for this (Vaars Bhai Gurdaas 16). Alekh hain: God is indescribable (Paatshaahee 10, Jaap Saahib 30 Just before I go I would like to say that you keep giving your opinion of what god is and what the soul is using the methods of logical deduction we do not see philosophy and science as a tool to be measured against, all other religious system will be measured against our doctrine as the basic category of Sikhism is the spirit no other religion has such a doctrine therefore body/mind reasoning must and will take second place to the soul/spirit. Jhakhi bolan kiya jag siyu vaad. Jhoor marai dekhai parmaad: Why do you talk nonsense and quarrel with the world? Seeing your madness, you will die of repentence in the end (sggs 933). Parr parr pandit baad vakhaanai: The priests, read and read scriptutes endlessly, only to stir up arguments and controversies (sggs 152). One who reads, while attached to duality, does not understand. He struggle for the mammon, the three-qualitied Maya (sggs 127). [url=http://www.sikhnet.com/sikhnet/discussion.nsf/SearchView/FF54B0870381089687256FFF002551B5!OpenDocument]Re: Heaven and hell[/url] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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