☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Discussions
Sikh Sikhi Sikhism
Awe - Waheguru
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 171079" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>Ishna ji,</p><p>My intention is not to accuse you but point out the importance of the word Fear and the importance of the feeling itself. Focus on the rest of the post.</p><p></p><p>Lucky Singh ji,</p><p>While you are right to a point out that we should fear connection or fear doing wrongful action, I am talking about fear of God.</p><p></p><p>Fear of something God does is not fear of God himself. Although fear of something God does is a good start, it's getting close but it's not there exactly.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Gyani ji,</p><p>We do believe in Mantras. </p><p><em>"practice of taking a single word and mouthing it repeatedly as a gurmantar"</em></p><p><strong>is</strong> "<em>to always Hold Him in highest regard...a Sikhs head ONLY bows to HIM..."</em></p><p><em></em> </p><p>There's absolutely no difference between those. It's like a Mother thinking about her child, she is constantly in repetition. Her mind is chanting the name of her child. Sikhs are no different, we chant the name of God moment to moment to remember him and to RECOGNIZE him every moment.</p><p></p><p>Why do you think that the Guru repeatedly writes Har har Har? <span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: BLACK"><span style="font-size: 10px">ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹੇਤ ॥</span> </span></span></span>- (810, Guru Arjan)</p><p></p><p>You are making it too easy. lol</p><p></p><p></p><p>Yes the Guru meditates on Har. Waheguru is no different to Har. The Brahmins who praise the Guru in SGGS describes Waheguru (Wah Guru, wonderful teacher) very much like Har <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1402&english=t&id=59609#l59609" target="_blank">[link]</a>. The Guru (Guru Ramdas ji) is seen as an incarnation of Har, thus not separate to Him. </p><p></p><p>Bhai Gurdas ji's Vaars explains that in this age of Kalyug it is "Waheguru" mantra that will carry one across. He takes the role of a Sikh who sees his Guru as an "Extension" of Har (if you are not comfortable with incarnation), and that's why him and millions of Sikhs chant Waheguru.</p><p></p><p></p><p>It's not a restriction. You can. You can Meditate on Hari if you want. It's the same thing.</p><p></p><p></p><p>They don't. Period. You haven't accepted half the teachings in SGGS (such as mantras) and thus you don't see how Bhai Gurdas fits into the teachings.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Bhai Gurdas ji asked Guru Arjan to not include any of of his writings in the Guru Granth Sahib. Guru Arjan Dev ji then gave them the status of Kunji, the key to unlocking SGGS. <a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Gurdas" target="_blank">[link]</a></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Gurdas" target="_blank"></a></p><p>This is very much true because both Bhai Gurdas I and Bhai Gurdas II give us the background to SGGS. The concepts are explained clearly and to the point. His writings are valuable simply because he is a contemporary of Guru Arjan Dev ji as well.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 171079, member: 2610"] Ishna ji, My intention is not to accuse you but point out the importance of the word Fear and the importance of the feeling itself. Focus on the rest of the post. Lucky Singh ji, While you are right to a point out that we should fear connection or fear doing wrongful action, I am talking about fear of God. Fear of something God does is not fear of God himself. Although fear of something God does is a good start, it's getting close but it's not there exactly. Gyani ji, We do believe in Mantras. [I]"practice of taking a single word and mouthing it repeatedly as a gurmantar"[/I] [B]is[/B] "[I]to always Hold Him in highest regard...a Sikhs head ONLY bows to HIM..." [/I] There's absolutely no difference between those. It's like a Mother thinking about her child, she is constantly in repetition. Her mind is chanting the name of her child. Sikhs are no different, we chant the name of God moment to moment to remember him and to RECOGNIZE him every moment. Why do you think that the Guru repeatedly writes Har har Har? [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=1][COLOR=BLACK][SIZE=2]ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹੇਤ ॥[/SIZE] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]- (810, Guru Arjan) You are making it too easy. lol Yes the Guru meditates on Har. Waheguru is no different to Har. The Brahmins who praise the Guru in SGGS describes Waheguru (Wah Guru, wonderful teacher) very much like Har [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=1402&english=t&id=59609#l59609"][link][/URL]. The Guru (Guru Ramdas ji) is seen as an incarnation of Har, thus not separate to Him. Bhai Gurdas ji's Vaars explains that in this age of Kalyug it is "Waheguru" mantra that will carry one across. He takes the role of a Sikh who sees his Guru as an "Extension" of Har (if you are not comfortable with incarnation), and that's why him and millions of Sikhs chant Waheguru. It's not a restriction. You can. You can Meditate on Hari if you want. It's the same thing. They don't. Period. You haven't accepted half the teachings in SGGS (such as mantras) and thus you don't see how Bhai Gurdas fits into the teachings. Bhai Gurdas ji asked Guru Arjan to not include any of of his writings in the Guru Granth Sahib. Guru Arjan Dev ji then gave them the status of Kunji, the key to unlocking SGGS. [URL="http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Bhai_Gurdas"][link] [/URL] This is very much true because both Bhai Gurdas I and Bhai Gurdas II give us the background to SGGS. The concepts are explained clearly and to the point. His writings are valuable simply because he is a contemporary of Guru Arjan Dev ji as well. [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Discussions
Sikh Sikhi Sikhism
Awe - Waheguru
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top