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<blockquote data-quote="Ambarsaria" data-source="post: 141265" data-attributes="member: 14194"><p>I submit the following in blunt fashion but not out of total ignorance. I want to be corrected if I state something wrong as for me these are nagging questions perhaps in many Sikhs minds. Before partition in 1947, Sikhs and Muslims lived very well together in Punjab. Culturally they were so close to each other.</p><p></p><p></p><p> However things seem to be keep getting worse by evil design or other things that I don’t know enough about.</p><p></p><p></p><p> So please bear with me and help or comment if you can. It may clarify mis-conceptions if these exist or raise awareness for interfaith dialog for the better. I rather live with bitter truth(s) than bliss of ignorance. </p><p> </p><p>Rest of the post as clearly as I know how in generally layman’s language.</p><p><span style="color: Red"><u><strong>____________________________________________________________________________________________________________</strong></u></span></p><p> </p><p>The <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic" target="_blank">Arabic</a> word <em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*****" target="_blank">Kaffir</a></em> (literally the one who "covers", usually translated as "disbeliever" ) is the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam" target="_blank">Muslim</a> term commonly translated into English as infidel.</p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><u><span style="color: red">Kaffir and Infidels</span></u></strong> , in the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term refers to a person who does not recognize the <em><u>one God</u></em> Allah(1)</li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red">Sikhs believe in Allah but different understanding however it is <em><u>one God!</u></em></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist" target="_blank">atheists</a>, e.g. Buddhists, communists, declared atheist societies like China</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheist" target="_blank">polytheists</a>, e.g. Hindus</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The following moved from Good to bad category based on later revelations of <strong>Muhammad</strong></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"> religions such as Christianity, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism" target="_blank">Judaism</a> - who are seen as "<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book" target="_blank">People of the Book</a> (<em>Ahl-e-kitab</em>)"</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><u><span style="color: red">Not Kaffir and Infidels</span></u></strong></li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Muslims</li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Allah (1)</li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Islam</li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">You only get to Allah after death</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Allah punishes and reward<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Allah only possible through <strong>Muhammad</strong></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hell for being bad</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hell for not taking the <strong>Muhammad</strong> directed path</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Hell for not following the Quran</li> </ul> </p> </p> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Allah only possible through <strong>Muhammad</strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Heaven for following <strong>Muhammad</strong>’s directions</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Heaven for following the Quran</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Rewards in heaven for dealing with Kafirs and Infidels</li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sikhism</li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sikhism helps you discover God everywhere and in everything</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji provides nourishment for discovery of God</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No directions from a God’s messenger</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">No promise of hell or heaven</li> </ul> </p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Generally, you sow, so shall you reap</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">All good and bad acts are in consonant with God</li> </ul> </p> </p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><u><strong><span style="font-family: 'Symbol'"><span style="color: Red"><strong>Kaffir</strong></span></span></strong></u><strong><u><span style="color: red">, like infidel</span></u></strong>, has also come to be regarded as offensive,<ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: black">If in the name of Islam, Taliban have beheaded a Sikh where is the ground swell of indignation against it</span><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: black">It is not good enough some scholar(s) to say it is wrong</span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: black">Where are rest of the muslims that cannot find and dispose such people to Allah’s wrath and hell</span></li> </ul> </li> </ul> </li> </ul> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: black">What is there to say that there was a full village of Sikhs in Afghanistan that Taliban would not either convert or kill all of the men, women and children</span></li> </ul></p> <ul style="margin-left: 20px"> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: black">In the name of Islam, Sikhs arrested and charged with offenses in the Middle East and Arab World, get different justice meted out versus Muslims with same offense</span></li> </ul> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: black">Paranoia does not guide this but the sugar coated speeches or explanations are not acceptable</span></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: Red"><span style="color: black">Community and spiritual silence in such situations is deafening</span></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><u><span style="color: red">Why isn’t there a guidance coming from Islam Holy places like Mecca in this regard</span></u></strong><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="color: red">Is there tacit approval or one life does not count in Islam!</span></li> </ul> </li> </ul><p></p><p>I know in any community not everyone is either the same good/bad but it will be great if some insights are provided.</p><p></p><p>Thank you.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ambarsaria, post: 141265, member: 14194"] I submit the following in blunt fashion but not out of total ignorance. I want to be corrected if I state something wrong as for me these are nagging questions perhaps in many Sikhs minds. Before partition in 1947, Sikhs and Muslims lived very well together in Punjab. Culturally they were so close to each other. However things seem to be keep getting worse by evil design or other things that I don’t know enough about. So please bear with me and help or comment if you can. It may clarify mis-conceptions if these exist or raise awareness for interfaith dialog for the better. I rather live with bitter truth(s) than bliss of ignorance. Rest of the post as clearly as I know how in generally layman’s language. [COLOR=Red][U][B]____________________________________________________________________________________________________________[/B][/U][/COLOR] The [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic"]Arabic[/url] word [I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/*****"]Kaffir[/URL][/I] (literally the one who "covers", usually translated as "disbeliever" ) is the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam"]Muslim[/url] term commonly translated into English as infidel. [LIST] [*][B][U][COLOR=red]Kaffir and Infidels[/COLOR][/U][/B] , in the Islamic doctrinal sense, the term refers to a person who does not recognize the [I][U]one God[/U][/I] Allah(1) [/LIST] [INDENT] [LIST] [*][COLOR=red]Sikhs believe in Allah but different understanding however it is [I][U]one God![/U][/I][/COLOR] [*][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheist"]atheists[/url], e.g. Buddhists, communists, declared atheist societies like China [*][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytheist"]polytheists[/url], e.g. Hindus [*]The following moved from Good to bad category based on later revelations of [B]Muhammad[/B] [*] religions such as Christianity, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaism"]Judaism[/url] - who are seen as "[url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People_of_the_Book"]People of the Book[/url] ([I]Ahl-e-kitab[/I])" [/LIST] [/INDENT] [LIST] [*][B][U][COLOR=red]Not Kaffir and Infidels[/COLOR][/U][/B] [/LIST] [INDENT] [LIST] [*]Muslims [/LIST] [/INDENT] [LIST] [*]Allah (1) [/LIST] [INDENT] [LIST] [*]Islam [/LIST] [/INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] [LIST] [*]You only get to Allah after death [*]Allah punishes and reward [LIST] [*]Allah only possible through [B]Muhammad[/B] [/LIST] [/LIST] [/INDENT][/INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] [LIST] [*]Hell for being bad [*]Hell for not taking the [B]Muhammad[/B] directed path [*]Hell for not following the Quran [/LIST] [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] [LIST] [*]Allah only possible through [B]Muhammad[/B] [LIST] [*] [LIST] [*]Heaven for following [B]Muhammad[/B]’s directions [*]Heaven for following the Quran [*]Rewards in heaven for dealing with Kafirs and Infidels [/LIST] [/LIST] [/LIST] [/INDENT][/INDENT][INDENT] [LIST] [*]Sikhism [/LIST] [/INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] [LIST] [*]Sikhism helps you discover God everywhere and in everything [*]Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji provides nourishment for discovery of God [*]No directions from a God’s messenger [*]No promise of hell or heaven [/LIST] [/INDENT][/INDENT][INDENT][INDENT][INDENT] [LIST] [*]Generally, you sow, so shall you reap [*]All good and bad acts are in consonant with God [/LIST] [/INDENT][/INDENT][/INDENT] [LIST] [*][U][B][FONT=Symbol][COLOR=Red][B]Kaffir[/B][/COLOR][/FONT][/B][/U][B][U][COLOR=red], like infidel[/COLOR][/U][/B], has also come to be regarded as offensive, [LIST] [*][COLOR=black]If in the name of Islam, Taliban have beheaded a Sikh where is the ground swell of indignation against it[/COLOR] [LIST] [*][COLOR=black]It is not good enough some scholar(s) to say it is wrong[/COLOR] [*][COLOR=black]Where are rest of the muslims that cannot find and dispose such people to Allah’s wrath and hell[/COLOR] [/LIST] [/LIST] [/LIST] [INDENT][INDENT] [LIST] [*][COLOR=black]What is there to say that there was a full village of Sikhs in Afghanistan that Taliban would not either convert or kill all of the men, women and children[/COLOR] [/LIST] [/INDENT] [LIST] [*][COLOR=black]In the name of Islam, Sikhs arrested and charged with offenses in the Middle East and Arab World, get different justice meted out versus Muslims with same offense[/COLOR] [/LIST] [/INDENT] [LIST] [*][COLOR=Red][COLOR=black]Paranoia does not guide this but the sugar coated speeches or explanations are not acceptable[/COLOR][/COLOR] [*][COLOR=Red][COLOR=black]Community and spiritual silence in such situations is deafening[/COLOR][/COLOR] [*][B][U][COLOR=red]Why isn’t there a guidance coming from Islam Holy places like Mecca in this regard[/COLOR][/U][/B] [LIST] [*][COLOR=red]Is there tacit approval or one life does not count in Islam![/COLOR] [/LIST] [/LIST] I know in any community not everyone is either the same good/bad but it will be great if some insights are provided. Thank you. [/QUOTE]
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