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<blockquote data-quote="Akashdeep Singh" data-source="post: 47729" data-attributes="member: 3640"><p>Khalsa ji,</p><p></p><p></p><p> Sat Shri Akaal,</p><p></p><p></p><p>I would like to mentions a few points on <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong> and the related issues. I have seen a lot of people commenting on Inder Singh in a bad way on various forums and blogs, I request everyone please do not do so without first reading all his work. You,me and others do not stand a chance to judge <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong> as we are not so much educated to do so.</p><p></p><p>Let me start by mentioning that I do not agree to the following points made by <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong>, but I agree to most of the 100s and 100s of points that he has brought forward to the notice of the Sikh Panth.</p><p></p><p>1. <u>Halal Meat</u></p><p>I totally disagree with the point made that Guru Nanak Dev ji might have eaten halal meat during their visit to Mecca. Seems like Inder Singh Ghagga got a little far in his thinking here. Thankfully, he agree to edit his words to change this.</p><p></p><p>2. <u>Guru Arjan Dev ji getting unconscious</u></p><p>Again, I do not agree. In meditation, there is a stage when one loses the sense of time. Then comes the stage when one loses the sense of pain. When one loses the sense of pain, one simply cannot get unconscious by pain. I strongly believe our gurus had achieved higher states of self control.</p><p></p><p>3. <u>Naam Simran</u></p><p>Again do not agree. But here it seems to be more of a confusion and communication gap. Inder Singh Ghagga seems to make a point that just naam simran and no act of gaining knowledge will not help Sikhism and I agree with his point. But I also agree to Bhai Kulbir Singh that naam simran helps to start gaining knowledge and its like a stepping stone. Also I do believe that getting up early in the morning and doing path helps. The reason is related to neuro-biology and how our body is made: will discuss in detail if any body is interested. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Having said that and having disagreed on the above points with Inder Singh Ghagga, I do have a lot of respect for this person. Please do not call him names just because some so called giani Joginder Singh Vedanti thinks he is not a Sikh. Vedanti is not God, he cannot restrict the freedom of speech of any Sikh. Do you know that Joginder Singh Vedanti has done? He co-edited a text which says the following: -</p><p></p><p><strong><span style="color: red">1. portrays Guru Hargobind as the twenty-fourth reincarnation [avatar] of [the Hindu god] Vishnu</span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: red"></span></strong></p><p><strong><span style="color: red">2. asserts that the Darbar Sahib's four entrances represent not egalitarianism but 'the four arms of Chatarbhuji (a Hindu god).</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p>..... do you agree with this nonsense?? I think Joginder Singh Vedanti should be excommunicated and not others.</p><p></p><p>Do you know why <strong>Joginder Singh Vedanti </strong>excommunicated <strong>Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana</strong>? Simple, to take revenge. Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana objected to the above written text and co-edited by Joginder Singh Vedanti and called Vedanti "paapi" so Vedanti simply excommunicated him. Do you think this is right? I have lived in Punjab and I am totally worried about what is happening there. These guys (<strong>Badal, Vedanti et all</strong>) have been in power from ages, </p><p>then why is Punjabi lacking in education? </p><p>Why is Punjab lacking in technological development? </p><p>Why the females count is less as compared to male? </p><p>Why there are dowry related deaths everyday? </p><p>Why Punjab transportation is so bad? </p><p>Why there is no IIT in Punjab? </p><p>Where are the millions of dollars of public money gone that Badal sab was to spend on Anandpur? </p><p>..........................................</p><p>....................................etc etc etc...</p><p>Have you all asked these questions to yourself and ever tried to find answers? ....please please do it. These people have eaten away the roots of Punjab and Sikhism and people like <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong> and <strong>Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana</strong> are worried about it and they are risking their lives to save the legacy of <strong>Guru Nanak Dev ji</strong>. If you do not agree first read all the articles by Inder Singh Ghagga at <a href="http://www.sikhmarg.org" target="_blank">www.sikhmarg.org</a></p><p>All articles are excellent, but yours truly highly recommends to start by reading: -</p><p></p><p>1. <strong><a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0625-gurbani-vigiyaanak-sach.html" target="_blank">Gurbani Wich Vigyanik Sach</a> </strong>(Scientific Truths in Gurbani) </p><p></p><p>2. <strong><a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0205-kalar-khet01.html" target="_blank">Kallar Khet lai kood Jamaya (part-1)</a></strong></p><p></p><p>3. <strong><a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0212-kalar-khet02.html" target="_blank">Kallar Khet lia Kood Jamaya (part-2) </a></strong></p><p></p><p>4. <strong><a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0611-gurpurab-mubarak.html" target="_blank">Tuhanu Gurpurab Mubarak</a></strong></p><p></p><p>5. <strong><a href="http://www.sikhmarg.com/sikh-1857.html" target="_blank">Kee Sikha ne 1857 wich gaddari keeti?</a></strong></p><p>....these all articles are in Punjabi.</p><p>(I think if anyone does not understand punjabi, first he/she should learn it and then comment on <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong>. Because if we do not know to read/write Punjabi who are we to comment on Inder Singh Ghagga? If still anybody is lazy to learn Punjabi, I don’t think you should devoid your brain from these great articles, ping me and I shall translate to English the selective ones you want... but this might take some time as I have a hectic schedule, every one of us have)</p><p></p><p>You can also listen to his book "Sada Beda Ayun Garkia" at:-</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> <ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: blue"><a href="http://singhsabhacanada.com/audio.php?Topic=14" target="_blank">Book - Sada Beda Ayun Garkia (audio)</a><br /> </span></strong>(...listen to the 100s of blasphemous writings that Inder Singh Ji point and bring to the notice of the Khalsa. Notice, his voice how frustrated and helpless this true Sikh (Inder Singh Ghagga) is feelings about fellow Sikhs not understanding the issues that he is raising.)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><strong><span style="color: blue"><a href="http://singhsabhacanada.com/video.php?Topic=15" target="_blank">Katha - at some gurudwara in Waterloo</a></span></strong></li> </ul><p> <span style="color: black">Listen what people have written that Inder Singh Ghagga is worried about, and he (Inder Singh Ghagga) wants us to know. For example, one of the Taksal leader is writing: -</span></p><p><span style="color: black">1.We got kachchera ( Sikh undergarment) from Hanuman (...oh god! none of the sikhs is agains this writing??)</span></p><p><span style="color: black">2. We have long hair and beards so that we can be pulled out from "nark" by holding our long hair ( what an insult to sikh identity!)</span></p><p><span style="color: black">3. Sikhs priest should not eat garlic and onion (what?? these are brahamwad superstitions)</span></p><p><span style="color: black">4. A pati-wrata (husband worshipping) women can hold the sun from rising and can travel from Kabul to Goindwal every day, thats not all...she can move her child's cradle in Kabul by just moving her hand while she is in Goindwal.</span></p><p><span style="color: black">5. Sant Singh Maskeen calls himself "Brahm Gyani" and our sikhs are listening to his followers blindly.Gurbani clearly mentions who is "Brahm Gyani" how can Sant Singh Maskeen be Brahm Gyani ??</span></p><p><span style="color: black">....there are countless other disasterous teaching and writing that people are putting into the head of Sikhs and <strong>Prof. Inder Singh Ghagga ji </strong>have brought them to our notice rightly. I am so much obliged to Inder Singh Ghagga ji. I encourage all true sikhs to read and understand all his points, I am 100% sure not true Sikh can disagree with Inder Singh Ghagga ji( other then a couple of places)</span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p>I think <strong>Inder Singh Ghagga</strong> has done great work in these articles and I agree to all parts of these articles. We cannot punish him so hard just because he wrote a couple of points which seem to be wrong, what about 100s and 100s of other points on which he is very right. I feel ashamed of the kind of treatment Sikh youth is giving him. Please read his work before commenting on him. You should use your own concious and thinking to make decision no <strong>Joginder Singh Vedanti</strong> should direct you to do something. You as Sikh (Learner) for life, so learn my friend and learn to respect people who are visionaries. Please post your comments after you read atleast the atricles that I have recommended above. We all should back <strong>Inder Singh Gaggha</strong> (...also make him know that though we are with him we do not agree to some points he made). He certainly does not deserve the disrespect that is being shown against him.</p><p> </p><p> Yours truly liked the personality of Bhai Kulbir Singh as well. He talked respectfully with Prof. Inder Singh and mentioned that he (Kulbir Singh) has read many of his articles and he likes most of them. In fact, he went onto saying, "(Some article) tusi bahut wadiya likhya hai, main padya tusi bahut wadiya kamm keeta". He had objection to a few points only. But I did not like the way <strong>panthic weekly site</strong> (Kulbir Singh's group) has handled the matter after that. In the meeting Bhai Kulbir Singh mentioned, "We are here to discuss, nobody is winner or loser. We are not here to win" but the next day, the site maintained by Kulbir Singh's group posted the article with heading <strong>"Inder Ghagga loses debate to young panthic Sikh"</strong>. Why this dual policy?? If they were there not to win then why this title??. Also, notice that they did not put "Singh" in professor Inder Singh's name. Moreover, there was agreement between both the debating parties that only 5 people from each side will be allowed on the debate place, this should not be a place of intimidation or threat. This rule was defied clearly as there were around 100 people outside Gurudwara from Kulbir Singh's side. Additionally, to intimidate the writer there were weapons hung on the walls of the the debate room.</p><p></p><p>I hope all my fellow Sikhs will raise their conscious to the level that a true Sikh should have. I encourage you to read and increase your knowledge and be a true Khalsa. Moreover, please help stop posting unreasonable stuff like "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh"... this is not right, did you hear the debate carefully? Kulbir Singh started by saying, " we are here to discuss, there is no winner or loser". The pathic site made a mistake by using "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh" title on their posting, they went against what Bhai Kubir Singh said in the debate. How can they have dual policies – at one time saying we are not here to win or loose and then post an article with title "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh" ?? What does it mean, do they think the readers are illiterate or do they think nobody else can understand these topics??</p><p></p><p>Sat Shri Akaal!</p><p></p><p><strong><em>"Ve Sikha, tu ki Sikha?"</em></strong></p><p>(Oh my learner! what have you learned?)</p><p></p><p>Your truly,</p><p>Akashdeep Singh Aulakh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Akashdeep Singh, post: 47729, member: 3640"] Khalsa ji, Sat Shri Akaal, I would like to mentions a few points on [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B] and the related issues. I have seen a lot of people commenting on Inder Singh in a bad way on various forums and blogs, I request everyone please do not do so without first reading all his work. You,me and others do not stand a chance to judge [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B] as we are not so much educated to do so. Let me start by mentioning that I do not agree to the following points made by [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B], but I agree to most of the 100s and 100s of points that he has brought forward to the notice of the Sikh Panth. 1. [U]Halal Meat[/U] I totally disagree with the point made that Guru Nanak Dev ji might have eaten halal meat during their visit to Mecca. Seems like Inder Singh Ghagga got a little far in his thinking here. Thankfully, he agree to edit his words to change this. 2. [U]Guru Arjan Dev ji getting unconscious[/U] Again, I do not agree. In meditation, there is a stage when one loses the sense of time. Then comes the stage when one loses the sense of pain. When one loses the sense of pain, one simply cannot get unconscious by pain. I strongly believe our gurus had achieved higher states of self control. 3. [U]Naam Simran[/U] Again do not agree. But here it seems to be more of a confusion and communication gap. Inder Singh Ghagga seems to make a point that just naam simran and no act of gaining knowledge will not help Sikhism and I agree with his point. But I also agree to Bhai Kulbir Singh that naam simran helps to start gaining knowledge and its like a stepping stone. Also I do believe that getting up early in the morning and doing path helps. The reason is related to neuro-biology and how our body is made: will discuss in detail if any body is interested. Having said that and having disagreed on the above points with Inder Singh Ghagga, I do have a lot of respect for this person. Please do not call him names just because some so called giani Joginder Singh Vedanti thinks he is not a Sikh. Vedanti is not God, he cannot restrict the freedom of speech of any Sikh. Do you know that Joginder Singh Vedanti has done? He co-edited a text which says the following: - [B][COLOR=red]1. portrays Guru Hargobind as the twenty-fourth reincarnation [avatar] of [the Hindu god] Vishnu 2. asserts that the Darbar Sahib's four entrances represent not egalitarianism but 'the four arms of Chatarbhuji (a Hindu god).[/COLOR][/B] ..... do you agree with this nonsense?? I think Joginder Singh Vedanti should be excommunicated and not others. Do you know why [B]Joginder Singh Vedanti [/B]excommunicated [B]Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana[/B]? Simple, to take revenge. Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana objected to the above written text and co-edited by Joginder Singh Vedanti and called Vedanti "paapi" so Vedanti simply excommunicated him. Do you think this is right? I have lived in Punjab and I am totally worried about what is happening there. These guys ([B]Badal, Vedanti et all[/B]) have been in power from ages, then why is Punjabi lacking in education? Why is Punjab lacking in technological development? Why the females count is less as compared to male? Why there are dowry related deaths everyday? Why Punjab transportation is so bad? Why there is no IIT in Punjab? Where are the millions of dollars of public money gone that Badal sab was to spend on Anandpur? .......................................... ....................................etc etc etc... Have you all asked these questions to yourself and ever tried to find answers? ....please please do it. These people have eaten away the roots of Punjab and Sikhism and people like [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B] and [B]Gurbaksh Singh Kala Afghana[/B] are worried about it and they are risking their lives to save the legacy of [B]Guru Nanak Dev ji[/B]. If you do not agree first read all the articles by Inder Singh Ghagga at [url]www.sikhmarg.org[/url] All articles are excellent, but yours truly highly recommends to start by reading: - 1. [B][URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0625-gurbani-vigiyaanak-sach.html"]Gurbani Wich Vigyanik Sach[/URL] [/B](Scientific Truths in Gurbani) 2. [B][URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0205-kalar-khet01.html"]Kallar Khet lai kood Jamaya (part-1)[/URL][/B] 3. [B][URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0212-kalar-khet02.html"]Kallar Khet lia Kood Jamaya (part-2) [/URL][/B] 4. [B][URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/2006/0611-gurpurab-mubarak.html"]Tuhanu Gurpurab Mubarak[/URL][/B] 5. [B][URL="http://www.sikhmarg.com/sikh-1857.html"]Kee Sikha ne 1857 wich gaddari keeti?[/URL][/B] ....these all articles are in Punjabi. (I think if anyone does not understand punjabi, first he/she should learn it and then comment on [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B]. Because if we do not know to read/write Punjabi who are we to comment on Inder Singh Ghagga? If still anybody is lazy to learn Punjabi, I don’t think you should devoid your brain from these great articles, ping me and I shall translate to English the selective ones you want... but this might take some time as I have a hectic schedule, every one of us have) You can also listen to his book "Sada Beda Ayun Garkia" at:- [LIST] [*][B][COLOR=blue][URL="http://singhsabhacanada.com/audio.php?Topic=14"]Book - Sada Beda Ayun Garkia (audio)[/URL] [/COLOR][/B](...listen to the 100s of blasphemous writings that Inder Singh Ji point and bring to the notice of the Khalsa. Notice, his voice how frustrated and helpless this true Sikh (Inder Singh Ghagga) is feelings about fellow Sikhs not understanding the issues that he is raising.) [*][B][COLOR=blue][URL="http://singhsabhacanada.com/video.php?Topic=15"]Katha - at some gurudwara in Waterloo[/URL][/COLOR][/B][/LIST] [COLOR=black]Listen what people have written that Inder Singh Ghagga is worried about, and he (Inder Singh Ghagga) wants us to know. For example, one of the Taksal leader is writing: - 1.We got kachchera ( Sikh undergarment) from Hanuman (...oh god! none of the sikhs is agains this writing??) 2. We have long hair and beards so that we can be pulled out from "nark" by holding our long hair ( what an insult to sikh identity!) 3. Sikhs priest should not eat garlic and onion (what?? these are brahamwad superstitions) 4. A pati-wrata (husband worshipping) women can hold the sun from rising and can travel from Kabul to Goindwal every day, thats not all...she can move her child's cradle in Kabul by just moving her hand while she is in Goindwal. 5. Sant Singh Maskeen calls himself "Brahm Gyani" and our sikhs are listening to his followers blindly.Gurbani clearly mentions who is "Brahm Gyani" how can Sant Singh Maskeen be Brahm Gyani ?? ....there are countless other disasterous teaching and writing that people are putting into the head of Sikhs and [B]Prof. Inder Singh Ghagga ji [/B]have brought them to our notice rightly. I am so much obliged to Inder Singh Ghagga ji. I encourage all true sikhs to read and understand all his points, I am 100% sure not true Sikh can disagree with Inder Singh Ghagga ji( other then a couple of places) [/COLOR] I think [B]Inder Singh Ghagga[/B] has done great work in these articles and I agree to all parts of these articles. We cannot punish him so hard just because he wrote a couple of points which seem to be wrong, what about 100s and 100s of other points on which he is very right. I feel ashamed of the kind of treatment Sikh youth is giving him. Please read his work before commenting on him. You should use your own concious and thinking to make decision no [B]Joginder Singh Vedanti[/B] should direct you to do something. You as Sikh (Learner) for life, so learn my friend and learn to respect people who are visionaries. Please post your comments after you read atleast the atricles that I have recommended above. We all should back [B]Inder Singh Gaggha[/B] (...also make him know that though we are with him we do not agree to some points he made). He certainly does not deserve the disrespect that is being shown against him. Yours truly liked the personality of Bhai Kulbir Singh as well. He talked respectfully with Prof. Inder Singh and mentioned that he (Kulbir Singh) has read many of his articles and he likes most of them. In fact, he went onto saying, "(Some article) tusi bahut wadiya likhya hai, main padya tusi bahut wadiya kamm keeta". He had objection to a few points only. But I did not like the way [B]panthic weekly site[/B] (Kulbir Singh's group) has handled the matter after that. In the meeting Bhai Kulbir Singh mentioned, "We are here to discuss, nobody is winner or loser. We are not here to win" but the next day, the site maintained by Kulbir Singh's group posted the article with heading [B]"Inder Ghagga loses debate to young panthic Sikh"[/B]. Why this dual policy?? If they were there not to win then why this title??. Also, notice that they did not put "Singh" in professor Inder Singh's name. Moreover, there was agreement between both the debating parties that only 5 people from each side will be allowed on the debate place, this should not be a place of intimidation or threat. This rule was defied clearly as there were around 100 people outside Gurudwara from Kulbir Singh's side. Additionally, to intimidate the writer there were weapons hung on the walls of the the debate room. I hope all my fellow Sikhs will raise their conscious to the level that a true Sikh should have. I encourage you to read and increase your knowledge and be a true Khalsa. Moreover, please help stop posting unreasonable stuff like "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh"... this is not right, did you hear the debate carefully? Kulbir Singh started by saying, " we are here to discuss, there is no winner or loser". The pathic site made a mistake by using "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh" title on their posting, they went against what Bhai Kubir Singh said in the debate. How can they have dual policies – at one time saying we are not here to win or loose and then post an article with title "Inder Ghagga loses debate to young Sikh" ?? What does it mean, do they think the readers are illiterate or do they think nobody else can understand these topics?? Sat Shri Akaal! [B][I]"Ve Sikha, tu ki Sikha?"[/I][/B] (Oh my learner! what have you learned?) Your truly, Akashdeep Singh Aulakh[COLOR=black][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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