Prabh Milne Ka Chao - Bhai Sewa Singh Tarmala

BaljinderS · #1 (**permalink**) 06-Mar-2012, 17:44 PM

I know the following... I have never been to one of their programmes. Can someone shed some light on this please?
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Most of them seem very nice Gursikhs. But some veechara like becoming BrahmGyanee is 4 years don't seem right.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38181
1.They have a Brahm Gyan University Set Up
2.Main Asthaan is Called Prabh Milne Ka Chaao (Ludhiana if i remember)
3.I was given a card and they started preaching to me, in a very gurmat oriented.
4.In the University there is a 4 year Brahm Gyan Course
5.They target youth that wear Gurmukhi Bana in particular
6.Openly showing Ridhee Sidhee happens in there Satsangtee programs.
7.There are few dera outside of India

hpannu · #2 (**permalink**) 06-Mar-2012, 22:21 PM

ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕਾ ਖਾਲਸਾ
ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫਤਿਹ ॥

I have a little bit of info. on Prabh Milne Ka Chao that i would like to Share.

I would first like to say - I was raised by my parents to follow Guru Granth Sahib Ji only. No Dera influence.

In one of NJ Gurduara Sahib there are followers of Prabh Milne ka chao. Sangat members were told Sukhmani Sahib ਦੇ ਪਾਠ ਦੀ ਲੋੜ ਨਹੀ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਾਂ । Sangat was discouraged to do ਪਾਠ and encouraged to do Simran. Management was split between the two. There was friction and a youtube video was shown from Dera Prabh Milne ka chao (near Moga, Punjab). In the video Seva Singh Tarmala is leading people asking them to do Vaheguru Simran and rotate there head at the same time resulting in Turbans coming off. ਲੋਕ ਸਿਰ ਮਾਰ ਰਹੇ ਸੀ ਅਤੇ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰ ਰਹੇ ਸੀ । ਪੱਗਾਂ ਅਤੇ ਵਾਲ ਵੀ ਖੁਲੇ ਹੋਏ ਸੀ । ਸੇਵਾ ਸਿੰਘ ਤਰਮਾਲਾ ਸਿਰ ਨਹੀ ਸੀ ਘੁਮਾ ਰਿਹਾ । ਕਮਲਵਾਹ ਸੀ - ਇਹ ਸਭ ਕੁਝ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦੀ ਹਜੂਰੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੋ ਰਿਹਾ ਸੀ । After seeing the video a normal person is upset at the situation in Punjab. Negative influence of Deras.
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Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38181

Second incident is from 2 years ago when i was visiting California and went to see a friend of mine. My friend is a big fan of Prabh Milne ka chao. They bought an old church converted it into Gurduara Sahib and i was there when they were doing opening ceremony. when i went to see him he was at Gurduara Sahib running a Khalsa Camp. what i saw over there ? Sangat members were doing Simran ( I had only heard of it from the incident in NJ). There was no Kirtan or Katha in regular diwan. One of the Singh was telling Sangat techniques how to do Simran ? breath in and out and leading in Simran.

I was not impressed from this experience and first hand saw what I had only heard of before ?

Here are the things to ponder -

do we need deras for Brahm Gyan ? my answer is big NO.

People are looking for short cuts and there is no short cut. All they have do is believe in Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Learn Gurmukhi / Gurbani, try to understand it ( to a person's best ability ) and lastly follow it. seems easy but it's not easy - right. well make a good effort to follow these steps.

Bhul chuk maaf karna ji !

hpannu · #3 (**permalink**) 06-Mar-2012, 22:30 PM

I forgot to say - I blame SGPC for the all the Dera influence in Punjab. ਪੰਥ ਦੇ ਲੀਡਰ ਚੋਰ ਹਣ - ਗੁਰੂ ਦੀ ਗੋਲਕ ਦੇ ਅਤੇ ਆਪਣੇ ਨਿਜੀ ਸਵਾਰਥਾਂ ਦੇ ਪਿਛੇ ਲੱਗ ਕੇ ਇਹ ਕੁਝ ਹੋ ਰਿਹਾ ਹੈ । ਪਰ ਜੇਕਰ ਸੋਚਿਆ ਜਾਵੇ ਤਾਂ ਲਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਅੱਜ ਕਲ ਤਾਂ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਦਾ ਵੀ ਕੋਈ ਦੀਨ ਅਮਾਨ ਨਹੀ ਹੈ । The whole thing comes down to people itself. Look at the results of Punjab elections. Drugs / Cancer all the problems in Punjab are growing day by day and not a single person is saying anything about it. People of Punjab, Punjab Police and Politicians are all to be blamed for all this misery.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38181
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38181
They are ready to blame NRI's - saying you guys don't know anything.

BaljinderS · #4 (**permalink**) 07-Mar-2012, 16:32 PM

Thank you Veer Ji for the information. Its not just me then. You have confirmed what I know and feel. A lot people from my town go to one of their deras and they have a very similar attitude to what you have described. Religion is now being sold in the same manner as any other material goods. We know that is not true dharm. What really gets me is that they do this very cleverly by presenting it as Sikhi but then twisting to lead people of the path without them knowing.

They do naam jaapana at our Gurudwara. One person stands on the stage (where the stage sectary stands) and then does naam jaap and the sangat following him. Why standing up??? This is disrespectful to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Don't you think? Well known respected parcharkas always sit down so what purpose is there in standing up and doing it?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38181
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=38181

All this is clearly not right. Daal which kuch kaala hai???

Ambarsaria · #5 (**permalink**) 07-Mar-2012, 18:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BaljinderS

Thank you Veer Ji for the information. Its not just me then. You have confirmed what I know and feel.

ਵੀਰ ਮੈਂਨੂੰ ਵੀ ਲਗਦਾ ਸੀ ਦਾਲ ਵਿੱਚ ਕੁਸ਼ ਕਾਲਾ ਕਾਲਾ/I also thought something not right in this.

Another Dehra Enterprise. Not to generalize but why is Malwa (East of river Sutluj) so susceptible to such mis-directions say compared to Majha (West of river Beas)?

Sat Sri Akal.

hpannu · #6 (**permalink**) 07-Mar-2012, 20:52 PM

Baljinder Singh Ji -

Naam Japna / Simran karna is not the issue. It can be done. The problem is other things like ਪਾਠ ਕਰਣ ਨਾਲੋ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣਾ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ, ਸਿਰ ਨੂੰ ਘੁਮਾਣਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣ ਵੇਲੇ !

and i don't know what else they do. I am not a Dera follower. I also don't like the concept of Brahm Gyan degree ਲਓ ਸਾਡੇ ਕੋਲੋ ! ਜੇਕਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਿਲਣ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਵੇ ਇਸ ਤਰਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਸੋਚ ਕੇ ਵੇਖੋ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਿੰਨੇ ਡੇਰੇ ਹੋਰ ਖੁਲ ਜਾਣਗੇ । ਸਭ ਆਪਣੀ ਦੁਕਾਣ ਖੋਲ ਕੇ ਬਹਿ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ japposatnamwaheguru:

BaljinderS · #7 (**permalink**) 07-Mar-2012, 20:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

Sat Sri Akal.

Good question veer ji... I do wonder why people in Malwa tend to follow?? So many question, so little time...

prakash.s.bagga · #8 (**permalink**) 07-Mar-2012, 21:03 PM

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Originally Posted by hpannu

Baljinder Singh Ji -

Naam Japna / Simran karna is not the issue. It can be done. The problem is other things like ਪਾਠ ਕਰਣ ਨਾਲੋ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣਾ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ, ਸਿਰ ਨੂੰ ਘੁਮਾਣਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣ ਵੇਲੇ !

and i don't know what else they do. I am not a Dera follower. I also don't like the concept of Brahm Gyan degree ਲਓ ਸਾਡੇ ਕੋਲੋ ! ਜੇਕਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਿਲਣ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਵੇ ਇਸ ਤਰਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਸੋਚ ਕੇ ਵੇਖੋ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਿੰਨੇ ਡੇਰੇ ਹੋਰ ਖੁਲ ਜਾਣਗੇ । ਸਭ ਆਪਣੀ ਦੁਕਾਣ ਖੋਲ ਕੇ ਬਹਿ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ japposatnamwaheguru:

Unless we have a unified system of interpretation and understanding of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ..there can be no barrior to the expansion of DERAWAD or SANT WAD.
At present any one can interprate Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji according to his own understanding so in this situation how can any improvement be expected.
Therefore it is utmost important to evolve a unified code system for interpretation of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Basically we dont need Preachers or Teachers we need good and matured interpraters of Gurbanee.
Prakash.s.Bagga

BaljinderS · #9 (**permalink**) 07-Mar-2012, 21:04 PM

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Originally Posted by hpannu

Baljinder Singh Ji -

Naam Japna / Simran karna is not the issue. It can be done. The problem is other things like ਪਾਠ ਕਰਣ ਨਾਲੋ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣਾ ਚੰਗਾ ਹੈ, ਸਿਰ ਨੂੰ ਘੁਮਾਣਾ ਨਾਮ ਜਪਣ ਵੇਲੇ !

and i don't know what else they do. I am not a Dera follower. I also don't like the concept of Brahm Gyan degree ਲਓ ਸਾਡੇ ਕੋਲੋ ! ਜੇਕਰ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਿਲਣ ਲੱਗ ਜਾਵੇ ਇਸ ਤਰਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਸੋਚ ਕੇ ਵੇਖੋ ਪੰਜਾਬ ਵਿੱਚ ਕਿੰਨੇ ਡੇਰੇ ਹੋਰ ਖੁਲ ਜਾਣਗੇ । ਸਭ ਆਪਣੀ ਦੁਕਾਣ ਖੋਲ ਕੇ ਬਹਿ ਜਾਵੇਗਾ japposatnamwaheguru:

Veere, I don't see any problems with naam simran... however, its this whole thing about how it should done (head shaking, breathing technique). its very ritualistic approach which i find a bit fishy. Who knows what else is behind the closet?? All the signs tell me this very dangerous and not good for Sikhi.

Yes, is it really that easy become Brahm Gianee??? who are they kidding?? My dad has been studying Gurbani all his life and I never heard him mention anything about becoming a Brahm Gianee. Me and you are clearly not falling for this but allot of people are which needs to addressed.