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| | | | | Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 1 Sabad 8 / ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ੧ ਸਬਦ ੮ Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 1 Sabad 8 / ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ੧ ਸਬਦ ੮ Register to Remove Advertisements ਗਉੜੀ ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਮਃ ੫ ॥ Ga▫oṛī sukẖmanī mėhlā 5. Guru Arjun Dev ji in Raag Gaurhi “Sukhmani”, bliss to mind. Quote: ਸਲੋਕੁ ॥ Salok. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ Ik▫oaʼnkār saṯgur parsāḏ. With blessing of one eternal creator esteemed teacher. ਆਦਿ ਗੁਰਏ ਨਮਹ ॥ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਗੁਰਏ ਨਮਹ ॥ Āḏ gur▫e namah. Jugāḏ gur▫e namah. Respects to the greatest creator originator of all. Respects to the creator of many millennia. ਸਤਿਗੁਰਏ ਨਮਹ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰਦੇਵਏ ਨਮਹ ॥੧॥ Saṯgur▫e namah. Sarī gurḏev▫e namah. ||1|| Respects to the eternal truth creator. Respects to the respectful divine creator. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Har simran kar bẖagaṯ pargatā▫e. Har simran lag beḏ upā▫e. Through understanding of the creator, the devotees are exalted. Through understanding of the creator, the books of wisdom come about Har simran bẖa▫e siḏẖ jaṯī ḏāṯe. Har simran nīcẖ cẖahu kunt jāṯe. Through understanding of the creator, people became wise, controllers of their bodies and benevolent. Through understanding of the creator, even the down trodden become well respected everywhere. Har simran ḏẖārī sabẖ ḏẖarnā. Simar simar har kāran karnā. The wisdom of the creator has created and is in support of all worldly creation, Always but always try to understand the creator of the creation. Har simran kī▫o sagal akārā. Har simran mėh āp nirankārā. The creator created all creation for such a consonance. The creator resides among the understanding seekers of creator Kar kirpā jis āp bujẖā▫i▫ā. Nānak gurmukẖ har simran ṯin pā▫i▫ā. ||8||1|| The blessings of the creator leads to creator’s understanding. Guru Nanak, such pious people have attained the understanding of the creator. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote: ESSENCE: Guru ji in the salok first offer respects to the creator as originator, time immemorial, truth and divine. In this Eighth and final Shabad of First Astpadi, Guru ji state that understanding of the creator exaltation in the seekers, many scriptures come about, wisdom and fame appear. Guru ji amplify the pursuit of understanding as though the basis of all creation, the presence of creator in all. Guru ji state that the creator’s blessing leads the people looking up to the creator to seek and understand the creator. | Please note all errors are mine and I stand corrected.
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| | | | | Re: Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 1 Sabad 8 / ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ੧ ਸਬਦ ੮ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਭਗਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਏ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਲਗਿ ਬੇਦ ਉਪਾਏ ॥ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sukhmani-sahib/37714-sukhmani-sahib-astpadi-1-sabad-8-a.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37714
Har simran kar bẖagaṯ pargatā▫e. Har simran lag beḏ upā▫e.
Through understanding of the creator, the devotees are exalted. Through understanding of the creator, the books of wisdom come about
S. Ambarsari Ji
Would appreciate if you kindly define who is bhagat in this salok? Is bhagat in me or outside.
Best regards
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| | | | | Re: Sukhmani Sahib Astpadi 1 Sabad 8 / ਸੁਖਮਨੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਅਸਟਪਦੀ ੧ ਸਬਦ ੮ Quote:
Originally Posted by japjisahib04 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਭਗਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਏ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਲਗਿ ਬੇਦ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
Har simran kar bẖagaṯ pargatā▫e. Har simran lag beḏ upā▫e.
Through understanding of the creator, the devotees are exalted. Through understanding of the creator, the books of wisdom come about
S. Ambarsari Ji
Would appreciate if you kindly define who is bhagat in this salok? Is bhagat in me or outside.
Best regards
Mohinder Singh Sahni | Veer ji the Bhagat is one doing the "ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿ".
If you click on Bhagat ਭਗਤ one get the following where I generally then search in the context of Shabad from options in Mahan Kosh generally but don't ignore other information either. In this case one gets the following, Quote:
ਭਗਤ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-Gurmukhi Dictionary (1) ਉਪਾਸ਼ਕ, ਭਗਤੀ ਕਰਨ ਵਾਲਾ। (2) ਭਗਤਾਂ ਨੂੰ। ਉਦਾਹਰਣ: ਅਸੰਖ ਭਗਤ ਗੁਣ ਗਿਆਨ ਵੀਚਾਰ॥ {ਜਪੁ ੧, ੧੭:੫ (4)}। ਆਪੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਆਪਿ ਸਬਦੁ ਜੀਉ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਭਗਤ ਪਿਆਰੇ॥ {ਗਉ ੩, ਛੰਤ ੪, ੪:੨ (246)}। ਜਾ ਆਪੇ ਹੋਇ ਦਇਆਲੁ ਤਾਂ ਭਗਤ ਸੰਗੁ ਪਾਈਐ॥ {ਗੂਜ ੫, ਵਾਰ ੯:੮ (520)}। ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮਨਿ ਵੁਠਾ ਆਪਿ ਪੂਰੇ ਭਗਤ Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-English Dictionary n. (from Sk. Bhakta) devotee
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji Gurmukhi-English Data provided by Harjinder Singh Gill, Santa Monica, CA, USA. English Translation n.m. devotee, worshipper, votary; holyman, pious person, lover of deity. Mahan Kosh Encyclopedia ਸੰ. ਭਕ੍ਤ. ਵਿ- ਵੰਡਿਆ ਹੋਇਆ. ਵਿਭਕ੍ਤ। (2) {ਸੰਗ੍ਯਾ}. ਅੰਨ. ਭੋਜਨ। (3) ਭਕ੍ਤਿ ਵਾਲਾ ਸੇਵਕ. ਉਪਾਸਕ. "ਭਗਤ ਅਰਾਧਹਿ ਏਕਰੰਗਿ". (ਬਿਲਾ ਮਃ ੫) "ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਭਾਣਾ ਮੰਨੈ, ਸੋ ਭਗਤ ਹੋਇ". (ਮਃ ੩. ਵਾਰ ਰਾਮ) ਦਯਾ ਦਿਲ ਰਾਖੈ ਸਬਹੀ ਸੋਂ ਮ੍ਰਿਦੁ ਭਾਖੈ ਨਿਤ ਕਾਮ ਕ੍ਰੋਧ ਲੋਭ ਮੋਹ ਹੌਮੈ ਕੋ ਦਬਾਵੈ ਜੂ, ਕਾਹੂੰ ਮੇ ਨ ਤੇਖੈ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਮੇ ਏਕ ਬ੍ਰਹ੍*ਮ ਦੇਖੈ ਲਘੁ ਲੇਖੈ ਆਪ, ਕਰ ਨੇਮ ਤਨ ਤਾਵੈ ਜੂ, "ਦੇਵੀਦੱਤ" ਜਾਨੈ ਏਕ ਹਰਿ ਹੀ ਕੋ ਮੀਤ, ਔਰ ਜਗਤ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ ਮੇ ਨ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਿ ਸਰਸਾਵੈ ਜੂ, ਦੁਖਿਤ ਹਨਐ ਆਪ, ਦੁੱਖ ਔਰ ਕੇ ਮਿਟਾਵੈ, ਏਸੋ ਸ਼ਾਂਤਪਦ ਪਾਵੈ, ਤਬ ਭਗਤ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਜੂ. ਗੁਰੂ ਹਰਿਗੋਬਿੰਦਸਾਹਿਬ ਨੇ ਚਾਰ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਰ ਦੇ ਭਗਤ ਵਰਣਨ ਕੀਤੇ ਹਨ- (ੳ) ਕਾਮਨਾਵਾਨ, ਜੋ ਧਨ ਸੰਤਾਨ ਆਦਿ ਦੀ ਇੱਛਾ ਨਾਲ ਉਪਾਸਨਾ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ. (ਅ) ਆਰਤ, ਜੋ ਰੋਜ ਦੁੱਖ ਆਦਿ ਦੇ ਮਿਟਾਉਣ ਲਈ ਭਕ੍ਤਿ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ. (ੲ) ਉਪਾਸਕ, ਜੋ ਇਸ੍ਤੀ ਵਾਂਙ ਕਰਤਾਰ ਨੂੰ ਭਰਤਾ ਮੰਨਕੇ ਸੇਵਨ ਕਰਦੇ ਹਨ. (ਸ) ਗਿਆਨੀ, ਜੋ ਸਰਵਰੂਪ ਆਤਮਾ ਨੂੰ ਦੇਖਕੇ ਉਪਾਸਦੇ ਹਨ। (4) ਇੱਕ ਕਾਸ਼੍ਤਕਾਰ ਜਾਤਿ, ਜੋ ਜਿਲਾ ਸ਼ਾਹਪੁਰ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੈ। (5) ਦੇਖੋ, ਭਗਤਬਾਣੀ.
Mahan Kosh data provided by Bhai Baljinder Singh (RaraSahib Wale); See http://www.ik13.com | Let me know if it appropriate or other ideas for change, correction or improvement.
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Originally Posted by japjisahib04 I can understand but logically I was wondering how does it make sense when sukhmani is referring to myself as a first person.
Mohinder Singh Sahni | Veer ji thanks for your post.
When I read Gurbani for this purpose I read it as Guru ji would be reciting to self. So it is not addressed to anyone that way. So when I read, I read as such just like poetry. When it comes to reflect and translate there are two choices that I understand,
1. Translate as is - So this is like if they wanted to make prose of the poetry will do
2. The second style is message or lesson based where one reads and says what is it telling me, - This style will generally work like,
- Guru ji says "Sikh, if you do ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ you will becomes or be enlightened and become a recognized bhagat".
I am working in style 1 above. This works for me as one's mind starts to slowly think like the writer versus Teacher - Student mode which causes one to understand much and at times also makes one to forget a lot. At least this is how it works with me.
Let me know if there are errors or additional comments.
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ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿ ਭਗਤ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਾਏ ॥ ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਲਗਿ ਬੇਦ ਉਪਾਏ ॥
Har simran kar bẖagaṯ pargatā▫e. Har simran lag beḏ upā▫e.
Through understanding of the creator, the devotees are exalted. Through understanding of the creator, the books of wisdom come about
| Guru Sahib is elevating the spiritual stage of a Sikh, which is by understanding the message and putting it into practice, one sprouts like a lotus from the muck. In other words, one becomes a Bhagat. Once one's spiritual status is elevated due to the knowledge and understanding, then one can understand other religious books and challenge them if they are not up to par which Guru Sahib elaborates in the following verses.
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