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11-05-2008, 12:34 AM
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Nominated 3 Times in 2 Posts  TOTW/F/M Award(s): 1 | | The point made is that we should try to open the dasam Dwaar.
It is of no relevance at all.
The milk will boil when heated and water shall be frozen when brought below 0 degree Centigrade. What happens to water during the process [whether its tenth gate is opened or not] is of no consequence.
It is only theory discussed as a Kundalini Teacher.
Yes, if one has knowledge it is for the good of that individual only.it may be shared, But it should have the relevance to the context and the recipient should be willing only to receive if it is not anti Gurmat.The recipient will decide if it is so as he is the likely affected person. And
One should be intelligent enough to make out if one is likely to be listened to or not.
I end my note here.
Regards to harjas ji.
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11-05-2008, 01:28 AM
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Nominated 0 Times in 0 Posts TOTW/F/M Award(s): 0 | | Quote: | AS she posts here I have to read the posts. My compulsions. | You made me laugh. Quote: | There was no intention of saying things as "harsh'. But For that I seek thy forgiveness only. In future pl. do not consider as anything harsh.It is the language only. We all have one common factor that we are all seekers and the lovers of god in our own way.If you take the things in this spirit you will ignore many things,i am sure. | All is well. Please forgive me for annoying so much.
I can't force anyone's opinion to change and that's not my intent. But as this is a process of deepening understanding, I invite you to try to see things from a different perspective. Just try to take a look, because I wanted to show you something amazingly beautiful. Quote: The point made is that we should try to open the dasam Dwaar.
It is of no relevance at all. | That is not correct. Gurbani says that it is through opening the dasam duar that one receives the Darshan of Vaheguru and experiences liberation from duality and the three worlds. All the practices of Sikhi are building up to this point, by helping to cleanse our inner mind and heart in order that this gate may be opened. That is the purpose of receiving a human body in this life. Everything else is a waste. ਦੁਲਭ ਦੇਹ ਪਾਈ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ॥
dhulabh dhaeh paaee vaddabhaagee ||
This human body is so difficult to obtain; it is only obtained by great good fortune.
ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਜਪਹਿ ਤੇ ਆਤਮ ਘਾਤੀ ॥੧॥
naam n japehi thae aatham ghaathee ||1||
Those who do not meditate on the Naam, the Name of the Lord, are murderers of the soul. ||1||
ਮਰਿ ਨ ਜਾਹੀ ਜਿਨਾ ਬਿਸਰਤ ਰਾਮ ॥
mar n jaahee jinaa bisarath raam ||
Those who forget the Lord might just as well die.
ਨਾਮ ਬਿਹੂਨ ਜੀਵਨ ਕਉਨ ਕਾਮ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
naam bihoon jeevan koun kaam ||1|| rehaao ||
Without the Naam, of what use are their lives? ||1||Pause||
~SGGS Ji p. 188 Quote: | The milk will boil when heated and water shall be frozen when brought below 0 degree Centigrade. What happens to water is of no consequence. | This is completely correct. The process is not forced in Sikhism the way it was practiced in past ages with severe tapas, self-punishment, force, self-effort and physical practices, for example kechari mudra. The kechari mudra is describing something that occurs, because it is a seal. But the way traditional yogis practice is by force, to massage and elongate the tongue. Some people have resorted to cutting the binding of the tongue to make it longer. However, I do know people who were born with the ability. It comes to them unforced. That is their karam.
There's a saying if you're baking a cake and keep opening the oven door to see how it is cooking it will collapse and go flat. To bake a cake you have to leave it gupt, and then when it's ready it will be just right. So there is truth to the statement that everything will happen as it's supposed to in it's proper time. It can't be forced as Gurbani says the mind and heart are still unpurified and the breaths are wasted. So the purification comes first. Quote: | It is only theory discussed as a Kundalini Teacher. | I'm not a kundalini yoga teacher for 99th time. I don't practice kundalini yoga. And this is not anti-Gurmat, I'm trying to share something in Gurbani. I don't pretend to have all the insight or correct understanding. But I've giving you the best understanding I have. I need to make a button, "I am not a yoga teacher." And put neon sparkles. ਆਖਹਿ ਮੰਗਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦੇਹਿ ਦਾਤਿ ਕਰੇ ਦਾਤਾਰੁ ॥
aakhehi mangehi dhaehi dhaehi dhaath karae dhaathaar ||
People beg and pray, ""Give to us, give to us"", and the Great Giver gives His Gifts.
ਫੇਰਿ ਕਿ ਅਗੈ ਰਖੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਦਿਸੈ ਦਰਬਾਰੁ ॥
faer k agai rakheeai jith dhisai dharabaar ||
So what offering can we place before Him, by which we might see the Darbaar of His Court?
ਮੁਹੌ ਕਿ ਬੋਲਣੁ ਬੋਲੀਐ ਜਿਤੁ ਸੁਣਿ ਧਰੇ ਪਿਆਰੁ ॥
muha k bolan boleeai jith sun dhharae piaar ||
What words can we speak to evoke His Love?
ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
anmrith vaelaa sach naao vaddiaaee veechaar ||
In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.
ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥
karamee aavai kaparraa nadharee mokh dhuaar ||
By the Karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found.
~SGGS Ji p. 2
~Bhul chak maaf
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11-05-2008, 01:41 AM
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Nominated 3 Times in 2 Posts  TOTW/F/M Award(s): 1 | | Again a long post with references to bani, you are obstinate as a kid.Reminds me of my sis. only.
What is preferable:
1. To try to wait for opening of dasam Dwar with considered and considerate efforts.
or
2.To do Simran that we can do and let that happen that is to happen if it has to happen.
Is it necessary to learn
techniques of opening it?
But Good night Sis,
It is past mid night here,shall see your answer in the morning only. i.e tomorrow 11th may.
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11-05-2008, 03:45 AM
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I think you have addressed the one and only thing I was trying to find out. Thanks. Quote Gu rbani says that it is through opening the dasam duar that one receives the Darshan of Vaheguru and experiences liberation from duality and the three worlds. All the practices of Sikhi are building up to this point, by helping to cleanse our inner mind and heart in order that this gate may be opened. That is the purpose of receiving a human body in this life. Everything else is a waste. end quote __________________ ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe. | 
11-05-2008, 07:50 AM
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I think you have addressed the one and only thing I was trying to find out. Thanks. Quote Gu rbani says that it is through opening the dasam duar that one receives the Darshan of Vaheguru and experiences liberation from duality and the three worlds. All the practices of Sikhi are building up to this point, by helping to cleanse our inner mind and heart in order that this gate may be opened. That is the purpose of receiving a human body in this life. Everything else is a waste. end quote
aad0002 Ji
I cannot agree more than this with you on this. I also thank Bhain Harjas kaur ji for this, that is what Sikh is all about if any one wants to put it in a precise statement.
__________________ HAR bisrat sda khuari Mehla 5
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11-05-2008, 07:27 PM
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Waheguru ji ki fateh ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥ਕਰਮੀ ਆਵੈ ਕਪੜਾ ਨਦਰੀ ਮੋਖੁ ਦੁਆਰੁ ॥ਨਾਨਕ ਏਵੈ ਜਾਣੀਐ ਸਭੁ ਆਪੇ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ॥੪॥ अम्रित वेला सचु नाउ वडिआई वीचारु ॥ करमी आवै कपड़ा नदरी मोखु दुआरु ॥ नानक एवै जाणीऐ सभु आपे सचिआरु ॥४॥ Amriṯ vėlā sacẖ nāo vadiāī vīcẖār. Karmī āvai kapṛā naḏrī mokẖ ḏuār. Nānak ėvai jāṇīai sabẖ āpė sacẖiār. ||4|| In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness. By the Karma of past actions, the robe of this physical body is obtained. By His Grace, the Gate of Liberation is found. O Nanak, know this well: the True One Himself is All. ||4|| ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ = ਕੈਵਲਯ, ਨਿਰਵਾਣ, ਮੋਖ, ਪੂਰਨ ਖਿੜਾਉ। ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ = ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦਾ ਵੇਲਾ, ਪੂਰਨ ਖਿੜਾਉ ਦਾ ਸਮਾ, ਉਹ ਸਮਾ ਜਿਸ ਵੇਲੇ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਦਾ ਮਨ ਆਮ ਤੌਰ 'ਤੇ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਦੇ ਝੰਬੇਲਿਆਂ ਤੋਂ ਵਿਹਲਾ ਹੁੰਦਾ ਹੈ, ਝਲਾਂਘ, ਤੜਕਾ। ਸਚੁ = ਸਦਾ-ਥਿਰ ਰਹਿਣ ਵਾਲਾ। ਨਾਉ = ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਨਾਮ। ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ = ਵਡਿਆਈਆਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ। ਕਰਮੀ = ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਮਿਹਰ ਨਾਲ। ਕਰਮ = ਬਖਸ਼ਸ਼, ਮਿਹਰ। (ਜਿਵੇਂ: ਜੇਤੀ ਸਿਰਠਿ ਉਪਾਈ ਵੇਖਾ, ਵਿਣੁ ਕਰਮਾ ਕਿ ਮਿਲੈ ਲਈ ਪਉੜੀ ੯। ਨਾਨਕ ਨਦਰੀ ਕਰਮੀ ਦਾਤਿ। ਪਉੜੀ ੧੪।) ਕਪੜਾ = ਪਟੋਲਾ, ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਟੋਲਾ, ਅਪਾਰ ਭਾਉ-ਰੂਪ ਪਟੋਲਾ, ਪਿਆਰ-ਰੂਪ ਪਟੋਲਾ, ਸਿਫਤਿ-ਸਾਲਾਹ ਦਾ ਕੱਪੜਾ। ਜਿਵੇਂ:"ਸਿਫ਼ਤਿ ਸਰਮ ਕਾ ਕਪੜਾ ਮਾਗਉ"।੪।੭। ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ ਮ: ੧। ਨਦਰੀ = ਰੱਬ ਦੀ ਮਿਹਰ ਦੀ ਨਜ਼ਰ ਨਾਲ। ਮੋਖੁ = ਮੁਕਤੀ, 'ਕੂੜ' ਤੋਂ ਖ਼ਲਾਸੀ। ਦੁਆਰੁ = ਦਰਵਾਜ਼ਾ, ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਦਰ। ਏਵੈ = ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ (ਇਹ ਆਹਰ ਕੀਤਿਆਂ ਤੇ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਦੀ ਕਿਰਪਾ-ਦ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਹੋਣ ਨਾਲ)। (❀ ਨੋਟ: ਲਫ਼ਜ਼ 'ਏਵੈ' ਪਰਗਟ ਕਰਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਇਸ ਪਉੜੀ ਦੀ ਤੀਜੀ ਤੇ ਚੌਥੀ ਤੁਕ ਵਿਚ ਕੀਤੇ ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ਨ ਦਾ ਉੱਤਰ ਅਖ਼ੀਰਲੀਆਂ ਤਿੰਨ ਤੁਕਾਂ ਹੈ: ਜੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲੇ ਵਡਿਆਈਆਂ ਵਿਚਾਰੀਏ ਤਾਂ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਮਿਹਰ ਨਾਲ ਸਿਫ਼ਤ-ਰੂਪ ਕੱਪੜਾ ਮਿਲਦਾ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਉਹ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਹਰ ਥਾਂ ਦਿੱਸ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ)। ਜਾਣੀਐ = ਜਾਣ ਲਈਦਾ ਹੈ, ਅਨੁਭਵ ਕਰ ਲਈਦਾ ਹੈ। ਸਭੁ = ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ। ਸਚਿਆਰੁ = ਹੋਂਦ ਦਾ ਘਰ, ਹਸਤੀ ਦਾ ਮਾਲਕ।੪। ਪੂਰਨ ਖਿੜਾਉ ਦਾ ਸਮਾਂ ਹੋਵੇ (ਭਾਵ, ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਹੋਵੇ), ਨਾਮ (ਸਿਮਰੀਏ) ਤੇ ਉਸ ਦੀਆਂ ਵਡਿਆਈਆਂ ਦੀ ਵਿਚਾਰ ਕਰੀਏ। (ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ) ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀ ਮਿਹਰ ਨਾਲ 'ਸਿਫਤਿ'-ਰੂਪ ਪਟੋਲਾ ਮਿਲਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਦੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ-ਦ੍ਰਿਸ਼ਟੀ ਨਾਲ 'ਕੂੜ ਦੀ ਪਾਲਿ' ਤੋਂ ਖ਼ਲਾਸੀ ਹੁੰਦੀ ਹੈ ਤੇ ਰੱਬ ਦਾ ਦਰ ਪ੍ਰਾਪਤ ਹੋ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ। ਹੇ ਨਾਨਕ! ਇਸ ਤਰ੍ਹਾਂ ਇਹ ਸਮਝ ਆ ਜਾਂਦੀ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਉਹ ਹੋਂਦ ਦਾ ਮਾਲਕ ਅਕਾਲ ਪੁਰਖ ਸਭ ਥਾਈਂ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਹੈ।੪। ❁ ਭਾਵ: ਦਾਨ ਪੁੰਨ ਕਰਨ ਜਾਂ ਕੋਈ ਮਾਇਕ ਭੇਟਾ ਪੇਸ਼ ਕਰਨ ਨਾਲ ਜੀਵ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨਾਲੋਂ ਵਿੱਥ ਮਿਟ ਨਹੀਂ ਸਕਦੀ; ਕਿਉਂਕਿ ਇਹ ਦਾਤਾਂ ਤਾਂ ਸਭ ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਦੀਆਂ ਹੀ ਦਿੱਤੀਆਂ ਹੋਈਆਂ ਹਨ। ਉਸ ਪ੍ਰਭੂ ਨਾਲ ਗੱਲਾਂ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਆਪਣੀ ਬੋਲੀ ਵਿੱਚ ਹੀ ਹੋ ਸਕਦੀਆਂ ਹਨ, ਤੇ ਉਹ ਬੋਲੀ ਹੈ 'ਪ੍ਰੇਮ'। ਜੋ ਮਨੁੱਖ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲੇ ਉੱਠ ਕੇ ਉਸ ਦੀ ਯਾਦ ਵਿੱਚ ਜੁੜਦਾ ਹੈ, ਉਸ ਨੂੰ 'ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਪਟੋਲਾ' ਮਿਲਦਾ ਹੈ, ਜਿਸ ਦੀ ਬਰਕਤਿ ਨਾਲ ਉਸ ਨੂੰ ਹਰ ਥਾਂ ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਹੀ ਦਿੱਸਣ ਲਗ ਪੈਂਦਾ ਹੈ।੪।
Source: Sri Granth: Sri Guru Granth Sahib
Waheguru ji ka khalsa
Waheguru ji ki fateh
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