How did Sikh Gurus die?

I read this question elsewhere on internet... I was intriguied at the reply of the person...

here goes the question and the reply by the person in the second post.

What do you think should be the right explanation to such questions ?

 
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This is the reply by the second person...

Yes, and Jesus Christ resurrected and he's with us also.

Matter of fact, Prophet Muhammond never died, Elvis is still alive.

And Tupac Shakur is still actively making new music.

2pac just disappeared from the eyes of the common people, but he's still here
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Childish dreams, got to love them.

Edit : The right explanation should be that the Gurus died. They were humans. Guru Gobind died at the hands of another human, he was NOT invincible. He could be beat, and he WAS beaten.
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If something like normal rational reason topples someones world over, than they were pretty insane to begin with.

Just a little side point but does this mean you believe anything which can't be explained by science or "modern" human understanding, cannot possibly be true?

Negative. .

I have to agree with S[kh on this one.

One of the beauties of Sikhi is that it does not rely on miracles. I think this is a very good and consistent thing because Sikhi strongly stresses the importance of reason within religious belief and does not try to overly mystify normal events like death.
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I think the same can be said about whether or not Dhan Dhan Sri Guru Nanak dev ji studied the holy texts of hinduism and the shastras,etc. This issue has been raised by some Hindu scholars as a criticism of Sikhi as they state that having never read them (as some prominent sikh historians claim) how could the Guru sahib critique them. Dhur ki Bani has some revealing critiques/insights on the religious writings and beliefs of many different faiths (particularly the siddhs, sadhus, hinduism and islam --Siddh Gost is one of my favourite bani). Clearly, we can never know whether or not he did study them or not but in absence of any evidence doesen't it stand to reason that we should assume that he did (okholm's razor)?

I think the same can be said of the joti jot of the gurus.

Agree with SIKH to a certain extent.

It is true that sikhi does not believe in miracles of a physical nature and teaches us to abide by the laws of naure in place.

However what I do object to is the following phrase by SIKH:
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"He could be beat, and he WAS beaten. "

I dont think a Guru can be beaten, unless the Guru wants to. And why would the Guru want it? Because the Guru would understand that nature has to take its course. His soul has to leave the temporary body, so as far as the physical eyes are concerned, the Guru is not there.

Now if being hit by a blow and getting one's head severed is the meaning of the term 'BEATEN', then maybe all of the great Martyrs in history of sikhs were beaten, including Shedaan de Sirtaaj Guru Arjan Dev Ji.

But would you agree that this is the case. Wouldnt we say that the Mughals in fact got beaten in the end, as it is no diifficult to even find people of the Mughal race (of course no fault of the present generation and my sympathies with them)

So I dont think the word beaten conveys the right context or meaning of the thoughts of SIKH to the casual reader.

It is a fallacy to promote the Guru Sahibaans as something they are not.


It is true the GURU Sahibaans are One JYOT..BUT they had TEN HUMAN BODIES..which ate, bathed, slept, were clothed, rode on horses, walked etc just like we all do..

Now we all know for a fact that the GURUS were BORN, had fathers and mothers..and IF Kabir can ask the BRAHMIN: OH brahmin..how are you DIFFERENT from me ?? You call me Shudar and yourself Brahmin...BUT then WHY didnt you come into this world any OTHER WAY ?? ( meaning you came from your mother just like i did from mine...in this World there is ONLY ONE WAY to COME...and EVERYBODY...Raam, Krishan, Bhagats, Guru ji..all came this way )...and there is also ONLY ONE WAY to EXIT this WORLD.... the same way we all go. GURU JI's HUMAN BODY came and went the same way as all of us.
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The Only difference is in the JYOT....Guru Nanak ji didnt pass on His JYOT ( Spiritual Khazannah) to his flesh and blood....Puttreena kaul na plaiyo as we all do...BUT passed it down to the NEXT MOST "eligible" vessel...the body of Guru Angad Ji..and so on. Guru Arjun Ji's Human Body endured the MOST HORRIBLE TORTURES..He felt Pain..but endured it for TERA BHANNA..a LESSON to His SIKHS that such times will also come for them and so be PREPARED. Thus it would be a great injustice to say BHAI MANI SINGH JI didnt feel any pain being cut from joint by joint, or Bhai mati dass Ji felt no pain being sawed in half...they all did as they were HUMAN....BUT the GURU Ji's mahaan shaheedee / Gurbani Naam japp/ etc had built up their threshhold to such a height...they ENDURED it all with a smile on their faces..Today we have the GURU JYOT ( spiritual khazannah) in GURU GRANTH JI....and Modern Sikhs also endured the most horrible tortures Ribero/KPGill could throw at them...BUT not a Single SIKH "broke" under torture...all preferred death.

Guru Amardass ji in Bani Ramkali sadd gives clear instructions as to what is to be done after his body dies...it is a first person account by sunder ji a realtive of Guru ji.

There are "SAMADHS" of most of the Sikh gurus to signify thier last resting places.
Our GURUS never pretended to be anything they were not..NO MIRACLES against NATURE, NO VIOLATIONS of WAHEGURU's HUKM...no supernatural powers...

jarnail Singh

Most of the times, above is true.