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TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH


Ik Ongkar Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, Sri Amritsar
Giani Joginder Singh, Jethadar
Date: 16-8-2007

Anand Sanskar
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" Marriage Ceremony"

This is a message to all the Sikh Sangat that according to the Rehat Maryada only Sikh couples (male/female) can engage in the Anand Karaj Ceremony. If the couple or either one of them is not a Sikh, then they must embrace the Sikh faith. This includes that they must change their second name to Singh or Kaur in their official document before the Marriage Ceremony. (e.g. driving licence, identity card, passport).
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TRANSLATION IN ENGLISH


Ik Ongkar Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Sri Akal Takhat Sahib, Sri Amritsar
Giani Joginder Singh, Jethadar
Date: 16-8-2007

Anand Sanskar
" Marriage Ceremony"

This is a message to all the Sikh Sangat that according to the Rehat Maryada only Sikh couples (male/female) can engage in the Anand Karaj Ceremony. If the couple or either one of them is not a Sikh, then they must embrace the Sikh faith. This includes that they must change their second name to Singh or Kaur in their official document before the Marriage Ceremony. (e.g. driving licence, identity card, passport).
(signed)
(Joginder Singh)
Jethadar

What about hindu's which are practising hinduism and sikhism and who have faith in guru granth sahib.There are many hindu's who marry in gurudwara even if both partners are non sikh.
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There are really many hindus especially Sindhis who mostly marry their children with Anand Karaj ceremony, they have huge love for Guru Nanak Sahib.
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These Jathedars are totally poisining the whole environment and making Sikhism go on the lines of hardcore Islam by trying to convert people in very subtle ways. Sometime back they tried to convert hindus into sikhs by promising them admission into institutes under some quota if they convert to sikhism.
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last year my when my brother wasa studying in local college of haryana one of his teacher was going to get married.my brother was quite surprised when he told him that they are doing simple marriage in gurudwara.in that case both the partners were non sikh.If gurudwara's stop doing these types of marriages then many people will drift away from teachings of guru's
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Ik Ongkar Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

This Hukamnama was also encouraged and instigated by the actions of some "hardcore fundementalists" within the UK.

There are a number of issues that need to be addressed:
  • then they MUST embrace the Sikh faith” what is the difference between a Muslim converting someone to Islam on the premise of marriage and this? This is an act of conversion, where do Sikhs practice conversion today or their history?
  • Where in the Sikh teachings (according to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) is such an act “anti-sikhi”, especially as we (Sikhs) do not recognize distinction on caste, race or religion?
  • If Sikhs “see” all as equals, why do we insist on this inequality
  • Finally, according to the SRM how many marriages have taken place of Sikhs with Sikhs in our Gurdwaras todate? ( bearing in mind that a Sikh is also defined in the SRM)


E.g SRM states a Sikh is…
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16947
: Any human being who faithfully believes in
i. One Immortal Being,
ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib,
iii. The Guru Granth Sahib,
iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and

v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh

A Sikh's personal life should comprehend:-
i. Meditation on
Nam (Divine Substance, also translated as the God's attributed self) and the scriptures,
ii. Leading life according to the Guru's teachings and
iii. Altruistic voluntary service.


1. A Sikh should wake up in the ambrosial hours (three hours before the dawn), take bath and, concentrating his/her thoughts on One Immortal Being, repeat the name Waheguru (Wondrous Destroyer of darkness).
2. He/she should recite the following scriptural compositions every day :
a. The Japu, the Jaapu and the Ten Sawayyas (Quartets) - beginning "Sarwag sudh"-- in the morning.
b. Sodar Rehras comprising the following compositions:-
i) nine hymns of the Guru Granth Sahib, occuring in the holy book after the Japuji Sahib, (The Phrase in Italic has been interpolated by the translator to help locate the hymns more conveniently.) the first of which begins with "Sodar" and the last of which ends with "saran pare ki rakho sarma",
ii) The Benti Chaupai of the tenth Guru (beginning "hamri karo hath dai rachha" and ending with "dusht dokh te leho bachai",
iii) the Sawayya beginning with the words "pae gahe jab te tumre",
iv) the Dohira beginning with the words "sagal duar kau chhad kai".
v) the first five and the last pauris (stanzas) of Anand Sahib (The object of reciting the Anand as part of Sodar Rehras or at the conclusion of the congregational gathering is just to express joy and gratitude for the communion with the Guru ) and.
vi) the Mundawani and the slok Mahla 5 beginning "tera kita jato nahi"- in the evening after sunset.
(c) The Sohila - to be recited at night before going to bed. The morning and evening recitations should be concluded with the Ardas (formal supplication litany).


How many Anand Karaj have taken place where the "Sikhs" follow the definition above?
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16947

This will show the hypocracy within the Punjabi community. This is NOT a sikh issue, its a Punjabi issue.

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Re: Akal Takhat Hukumnama Regarding Interfaith Marriages

Ik Ongkar Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

This Hukamnama was also encouraged and instigated by the actions of some "hardcore fundementalists" within the UK.

There are a number of issues that need to be addressed:
  • then they MUST embrace the Sikh faith” what is the difference between a Muslim converting someone to Islam on the premise of marriage and this? This is an act of conversion, where do Sikhs practice conversion today or their history?
  • Where in the Sikh teachings (according to Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) is such an act “anti-sikhi”, especially as we (Sikhs) do not recognize distinction on caste, race or religion?
  • If Sikhs “see” all as equals, why do we insist on this inequality
  • Finally, according to the SRM how many marriages have taken place of Sikhs with Sikhs in our Gurdwaras todate? ( bearing in mind that a Sikh is also defined in the SRM)

E.g SRM states a Sikh is…
: Any human being who faithfully believes in
i. One Immortal Being,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16947
ii. Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Sahib to Guru Gobind Singh Sahib,
iii. The Guru Granth Sahib,
iv. The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus and

v. the baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh

A Sikh's personal life should comprehend:-
i. Meditation on
Nam (Divine Substance, also translated as the God's attributed self) and the scriptures,
ii. Leading life according to the Guru's teachings and
iii. Altruistic voluntary service.


1. A Sikh should wake up in the ambrosial hours (three hours before the dawn), take bath and, concentrating his/her thoughts on One Immortal Being, repeat the name Waheguru (Wondrous Destroyer of darkness).
2. He/she should recite the following scriptural compositions every day :
a. The Japu, the Jaapu and the Ten Sawayyas (Quartets) - beginning "Sarwag sudh"-- in the morning.
b. Sodar Rehras comprising the following compositions:-
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=16947
i) nine hymns of the Guru Granth Sahib, occuring in the holy book after the Japuji Sahib, (The Phrase in Italic has been interpolated by the translator to help locate the hymns more conveniently.) the first of which begins with "Sodar" and the last of which ends with "saran pare ki rakho sarma",
ii) The Benti Chaupai of the tenth Guru (beginning "hamri karo hath dai rachha" and ending with "dusht dokh te leho bachai",
iii) the Sawayya beginning with the words "pae gahe jab te tumre",
iv) the Dohira beginning with the words "sagal duar kau chhad kai".
v) the first five and the last pauris (stanzas) of Anand Sahib (The object of reciting the Anand as part of Sodar Rehras or at the conclusion of the congregational gathering is just to express joy and gratitude for the communion with the Guru ) and.
vi) the Mundawani and the slok Mahla 5 beginning "tera kita jato nahi"- in the evening after sunset.
(c) The Sohila - to be recited at night before going to bed. The morning and evening recitations should be concluded with the Ardas (formal supplication litany).




How many Anand Karaj have taken place where the "Sikhs" follow the definition above?

This will show the hypocracy within the Punjabi community. This is NOT a sikh issue, its a Punjabi issue, now highjacked by punjabis disguised as Sikhs. A Sikh does NOT accept any distinction based on caste, race, etc. But a Punjabi will not even allow their kids to have an intercaste marriage.




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Aanand kaaraj ceremony has become a ritual. I highly doubt the two parties getting married even know what is being said, let alone the deep meanings (including me). So its highly unlikely that gurmat will be followed to its highest extent. I think there's nothing wrong with the hukamnama from Akal Tahkat. If you take instruction from Guru Shaib you are a sikh, following the hukam you are a GurSikh. There just saying stop wasting time, if you have the basic sikhi saroop at least you will give some hope to Guru Shaib that mabye this person can follow the hukam. Many accounts have been filmed and recorded which prove that many sikhs or shejdari or sometimes even amrit dharri who perform the anaad karaj ceremony usually party after it and get drunk, start fights, thus making the anand karaj a mere ritual. I think what Akal Takhats is saying is at least adopt Sikhi rules, and follow them. It's my personal belief that no one can convert to sikhi because the moment you convert it would mean that you are Brahm Gyani. And you truly convert when you reach this stage. It's just my opinion the concept of conversion belongs to other religion's not Sikhi.
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I think this is the first sensible hukumnama from the Akal Takhat jathedars in years. It is right that we should at least aim to bring people under the umbrella of Sikhism.
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This is good because it doesn't make unrealistic demands on people and gently brings them to the quom. Sikhism is big on symbols, and the new initiate will experience that with the name change.

Personally i think it will be abused but it is still better than the situation before. Let the people adopt a sehajdhari identity first and explore Sikhism. The emphasis on Sikhs raising their kids Sikh is excellent.
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Good news, but I don't know how this will be encouraged on a street level.
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How can you bring people under the umbrella of sikhism when you're unable to keep the people, who already under this umbrella, dry . The umbrella you are talking about is totally broken, it is totally shattered, it is not the umbrella Guruji created. The real umbrella is saved only by chosen few not by these jathedars.

These Jathedars have lowliest of intelligence I have ever seen and they are trying to make sikh quam. Sikh is not qaum it is a vichaar, the quam originates from that vichaar (please think about this).... If you are so worried about the quam then intensify the vichaar. You'll have to show by your deeds, you will have to exemplify. You'll have to lead. These hollow actions will only poison the vichaar.

Guru Gobind Singh ji is a most brilliant, just, intelligent, brave, powerful and biggest brahmgyani and these dull jathedars are thinking that they are equivalent to him. They can't teach their own children and they are trying to make a quam. Such an irony !!

If you are created like a lion then act like a lion and not like a fox. If your objective is to be a saint, then be lowly as a saint and don't be egoistic like a theif. People who love Guru sahib, whether he is a hindu or musalman, it is his/her love which makes them eligible to recite Anand Karaj. Many mughals fought from Guru Gobind singh ji's side, how many of them were converted to sikhism by the Guru. They had love for the Guru and that was enough.... You think you are bigger than the Guru !
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These hollow Jathedars, they don't even have common sense (intelligence is a different game) , I don't know who made them the leaders.. These people don't have anything except their ego. How can these guys make a quam is beyond my understanding?

Dal Singh ji you shout a lot when Islami fundamentals try to convert sikh girls into islam. What is the difference between these fundamentalists and the jathedars, please explain if you can ?


To become a sikh, the guru's sikh -
Pehla maran kabool, jivan ki chad aas.
ho sabna ki rainka to aao hamare paas.
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So please tell me how many real sikhs can these culprits make... I can only laugh at you so called sikhs and your leaders ...

Where are the real ones, are there any.... I know there are few left.... And they will come and pouce on you foxes, the day will come, just wait !!
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