Sikhs Failed to Follow and spread Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Message

hpluthera · #1 (**permalink**) 17-Dec-2005, 05:07 AM

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Message to alll Humanity was for Freedom of worship of the Only One (By what ever name we know him in our heart) is the key to attain spiritual bliss while living normal life without ritualistic superstitions or religious dogmas.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/7884-sikhs-failed-follow-spread-sri-guru.html

More than believing in truth Sri Guru Nanak Dev impressed on the truthful living.

But Sikh preachers and Sikh scholars again tied themselves to the same old Religious Dogmas of ritualism, superstitions etc.

The today's time has more literacy and less wisdom. Let us atleast positively use the lieracy to spread the original message for more to become complete human beings than just Sikhs-belonging to a Noble Clan is just like being part of a crowd, but Guru Made Sikh to become Noble so that crowd follow them to be proud of their Nobility. Sikhs have to Follow Guru Nanak in letter and spirit not just worship him. Guru Nanak stopped people from worshiping blindly and advised them to understand the real meaning and be practical.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=7884
HP Luthera

hps62 · #2 (**permalink**) 18-Dec-2005, 02:03 AM

Dear brother

I read an interesting thread in some other Sikh site titled " what muslims percieve us ?? and a thread in this site titled " "Calling Muslims to Seduce Sikh Girls" ,

I am sharing an thought with you. though it has nothing to do with your thread

WGKHWKF

comments on " how muslims percieve us " reflects the poor state of your mind ( inspite of being a sikh )

Sikh girls have not been taken by muslims for first time. Since Ahmad Shah abad ali time sikh girls have been going into muslims possession by some means or other force or allurment.

It is when ever you have been weak that girls leave you either voluntarily or by force.

Girls are Oestrogenic driven creatures and are attracted by testosterone driven males and not by a Moron whining men like you .

So how do you define a testerone driven man . It all depends upon which society you live in.

In " USA " you will have to do some thing technologically smart as " SUPERMAN "

IN “UK” you will be required to be "JAMES BOND"

In INDIA you will require to be " Sharook khan " , " Amir Khan " etc ( I have a strong suspicion all the khans are backed by powerful underworld lobby who have secretly captured bolly wood right under your nose) .

Indian muslims are a real smart lot in terms of Number of kids they have and average of 5 , build missiles like the president , and are romantic like Sharuk khan.

Pakistanis muslims are still the smartest muslims I have seen. They threw you out of your own land; play with Osama bin laden and Bush at same time ;develop nukes . Contrast this with our lousy King CM of Punjab who is to scared to even handle a “ peaceful energy generating nuclear reactor” in state. Shame on we all Sikhs intellegence . Pakis also have the gut to challenge the high and mighty USA.

So if you love your girls and want them to sleep with you and not some smart muslim . Do some thing testosteronic sikh would do .

say like capture Osama bin laden , get nobel prizes and have a critical number of men to prevent getting wiped out from this planet.

Secondly stop whining like a moron SIKH and change to become a modern smart and suave SIKH. One like the role your forefathers would have been proud to see you in 2005 forms such as Superman , batman , James bond, sharuk khan etc.and capturer of osama bin laden.

got it you scared dud

from the

"Smart Sardar of 2005" of Gen X

WGKHWGF

hps62
Balwant Singh[/quote]

hpluthera · #3 (**permalink**) 18-Dec-2005, 10:45 AM

Dear Friend,

The attraction of oposite sexes is a natural phenomina, however in the past most of the societies the only source of energy and power was MANPOWER> Whosoever had biggest man power could raise biggest army and amass wealth and territory. The women were the only source of production a man singly at one time discharge millions of eligible sperms to meet with only one egg with a woman. So the acquisition of others women were a way of defeating the opponent in two ways capturing its regeneration source and taking its honour. At the same time increasing their egg source for more man power.

In today's world quality counts than quantity. Although there is acute shortage of women in Punjab (only 700 women to 1000 men) and on that very shameful acts done by many of infanticites of the girls both in India and Pakistan as well.

In many other parts of the world same is the situation and china is one of the country also facing shortage of women as compared to its male population.

So law of demand and supply is as valid in this situation as in economics.

Europe has a problem of women loving women in large perentage bipassing men. So the problem is wider Sikhs are also in the same predictamenty. This disturbed equation can be felt more closely amongst the Sikhs being minority and having many attractive girls automatically the males of other cultures and groups would not mind notice the Sikh girls. So we find our good girls stolen in the garb of marriage.

The male population of the world is getting desprate for Muslims of India and Pakistan the next best suitable women might be a Sikh girl. Now the question is who can make the women of Sikh origin not to get seduced or carried away by the approaches from non Sikhs.

It is either in the Hands of Parents or Girls or the Sikh boys. Definitely we have to give our girls more respect and dignity. We have to encourage parents of the Sikh Girls with more support and give them a place of dignity. Sikh boys have to change their ways as well.

You will find many Sikh girls academically more educated then boys similarly these girls are more cultured than the boys. But many irresponsible parents force arranged marriages and ruin their lives due to mismatch.

There are lot of other factors as well. It is a big social issue. The families who migrate overseas from villages with children born overseas face amany problems as they do not fit well to marry marry some one from their parents relations or village in their Indian families; many of those boys do not fit with them. So it is a bit complicated issue for overseas settled too.

Lack of knowledge of History by yougster is another reason. Teaching the Sikh History is an important subject which unfortunately is not taught in schools. Sikhs intelligentia and Historians need to work with the early child care ducators to write History in a way that its quickly and interestingly read and understood.

Good Parenting with an open communication with children is very important.

I am not totally condemning inter faith marriages but I am not in favour of such seductions with a wrongful motives which are just like persecution. We must protect our youngsters from falling into such traps.
Guru Bhali Kare.
Regards
HP Luthera

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Originally Posted by hps62

Dear brother

I read an interesting thread in some other Sikh site titled " what muslims percieve us ?? and a thread in this site titled " "Calling Muslims to Seduce Sikh Girls" ,

I am sharing an thought with you. though it has nothing to do with your thread

WGKHWKF

comments on " how muslims percieve us " reflects the poor state of your mind ( inspite of being a sikh )

Sikh girls have not been taken by muslims for first time. Since Ahmad Shah abad ali time sikh girls have been going into muslims possession by some means or other force or allurment.

It is when ever you have been weak that girls leave you either voluntarily or by force.

Girls are Oestrogenic driven creatures and are attracted by testosterone driven males and not by a Moron whining men like you .

So how do you define a testerone driven man . It all depends upon which society you live in.

In " USA " you will have to do some thing technologically smart as " SUPERMAN "

IN “UK” you will be required to be "JAMES BOND"

In INDIA you will require to be " Sharook khan " , " Amir Khan " etc ( I have a strong suspicion all the khans are backed by powerful underworld lobby who have secretly captured bolly wood right under your nose) .

Indian muslims are a real smart lot in terms of Number of kids they have and average of 5 , build missiles like the president , and are romantic like Sharuk khan.

Pakistanis muslims are still the smartest muslims I have seen. They threw you out of your own land; play with Osama bin laden and Bush at same time ;develop nukes . Contrast this with our lousy King CM of Punjab who is to scared to even handle a “ peaceful energy generating nuclear reactor” in state. Shame on we all Sikhs intellegence . Pakis also have the gut to challenge the high and mighty USA.

So if you love your girls and want them to sleep with you and not some smart muslim . Do some thing testosteronic sikh would do .

say like capture Osama bin laden , get nobel prizes and have a critical number of men to prevent getting wiped out from this planet.

Secondly stop whining like a moron SIKH and change to become a modern smart and suave SIKH. One like the role your forefathers would have been proud to see you in 2005 forms such as Superman , batman , James bond, sharuk khan etc.and capturer of osama bin laden.

got it you scared dud

from the

"Smart Sardar of 2005" of Gen X

WGKHWGF

hps62
Balwant Singh

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devinesanative · #4 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2005, 02:32 AM

You will find many Sikh girls academically more educated then boys similarly these girls are more cultured than the boys.

There may be many factors for boys being academically less educated but one of the common factors is the constant indirect pressure from parents , environment and society to do something earn living .
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=7884

And result , most of the boys end up doing some job or business leaving their education in the mid.

As people advocate that why parents allow boys so much freedom like drinking , going to clubs etc.

But as per Most parents , if he is not allowed now to see the world , then how he will earn his living .

devinesanative · #5 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2005, 02:36 AM

Is being Academically Good Educated makes any one Intelligent or Superior to Others ?

devinesanative · #6 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2005, 02:41 AM

It means many great people who visited this planet Earth were uncultured boys.

Arvind · #7 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2005, 21:03 PM

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Is being Academically Good Educated makes any one Intelligent or Superior to Others ?

I conside Academics as an organized way of learning. This does not automatically imply being intelligent. In fact, if we observe nature, insects, animals around us, there are so many things to learn. A desire for learning is what makes one different, and increases the intelligence level.

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Originally Posted by devinesanative

It means many great people who visited this planet Earth were uncultured boys.

I know, you didnt want to write this, and just want to invoke a debate... so i wont get into this detail.

Sincerely, Arvind.

devinesanative · #8 (**permalink**) 20-Dec-2005, 23:44 PM

Dear Arvind JI

You are really very smart................

devinesanative · #9 (**permalink**) 21-Dec-2005, 00:00 AM

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Originally Posted by hpluthera

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Message to alll Humanity was for Freedom of worship of the Only One (By what ever name we know him in our heart) is the key to attain spiritual bliss while living normal life without ritualistic superstitions or religious dogmas.

More than believing in truth Sri Guru Nanak Dev impressed on the truthful living.

But Sikh preachers and Sikh scholars again tied themselves to the same old Religious Dogmas of ritualism, superstitions etc.

The today's time has more literacy and less wisdom. Let us atleast positively use the lieracy to spread the original message for more to become complete human beings than just Sikhs-belonging to a Noble Clan is just like being part of a crowd, but Guru Made Sikh to become Noble so that crowd follow them to be proud of their Nobility. Sikhs have to Follow Guru Nanak in letter and spirit not just worship him. Guru Nanak stopped people from worshiping blindly and advised them to understand the real meaning and be practical.
HP Luthera

Yes , Sikhs have to follow Guru Nanak in letter and Spirit not just Worship him ..

In fact we should not try to be this sikh but this SIKH...