Supernatural Sikhs, what do you think is it true? What is your opinion?

TigerStyleZ · #1 (**permalink**) 22-May-2012, 01:52 AM

WJKK WJKf,

recently I was studying about Baba Deep Singh etc.. fighting headless what do you think, is it true? How we can explain that, any facts or something? Biologycoly it is possible - because the nerves live a short time after severed from veines(Aorta), nerves etc. Most Gora Sikhs dont belieive in it.Wanted to ask this question a few years ago, but finally I did it now

The will, descipline and the mind are the powers of the human and the Body is just the executive Bridge between that i saw many "supernatural" things that human did like in Netherlands . A guy named Wim Hof sitting for 2 hours in ICE etc.. I am just curious of your thoughts - I believe that you can do anything /when you are in unison with God. I mean our mind is it that build an computer our mind it is that build a car

The Ice Man takes a cold dip - Inside the Human Body: First to Last - BBC One - YouTube

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It is same thing like Jesus walked over water.

harry haller · #2 (**permalink**) 22-May-2012, 04:01 AM

Veerji

I believe it did happen, and it happened fully within the laws of nature and Creation, I do not believe it was supernatural, I do not believe that the white bearded Creator looked down and thought, I know, lets give Baba Deep Singhji a hand here, I don't believe it was a miracle.
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Maybe he had only 5 or 10 seconds, who knows, but it was long enough to leave that image embedded in his enemies and spur on his fellow soldiers.

Luckysingh · #3 (**permalink**) 22-May-2012, 05:54 AM

Tigerstyle ji

He taught us all a lesson. Never give in or give up even if you have to sacrifice your head.

Jo jo prem khalan ka chao, sir tarh thali gali meri ayou
'those who want to play the game of love, bring your head in your palm across the path'

Now, I believe Guru Nanak actually said this verse, but I always seem to associate it with Guru Gobind Singh. When I came across it initially, I did automatically assume for a long time that it was by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

I think this supernatural event or miracle(Baba Deep Singh) if you want to call it wasn't carried out to show us miracles, but it was more to teach us a lesson. More to show the way.

The guru's refused to demonstrate such miracles as this is what the critics expected.
But many unexplained events occured for those that took notice.
'Panja sahib', 'Guru Gobind's horse cooling the furnace to get some rest,'...etc... even events where there was some sort of time travel!!

All these were not to demonstrate miracles or the unexplained, but to show us their loyalty and persistence in the truth.
There was no Jesus like 'feed the five thousand' where bread and fish miraclously kept appearing to feed people, instead Guru Nanak fed the hungry by using ALL of his father's given money, he also showed us 'Bhago's' roti filled with the blood of people that he had sucked dry by his unlawful earning compared to the rightous lawful earning that showed milk dripping.
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This again was NOT to demonstrate the illusion that would put David Copperfield to shame, but to teach us the lesson of how we should earn.

I don't think that we should be looking into the 'WOW' factor as such from all these events, but we should be learning the ultimate lesson.
I honestly do feel that we shouldn't be questioning or comparing the events under such titles as miracles as such, but we should focus on the 'Message'.

I don't personally like to evaluate our Gurus or Martyrs on the the basis of 'superhuman powers', I feel that is WRONG and NOT what they wanted us to do. Guru Nanak as the first Guru, I'm sure didn't want to be remembered for superhuman powers or rotating Mecca for eg...

In the same way we should focus on the 'message' in the Guru Granth Sahib Ji, as well as the messages given to us in memorable events.

So, Tigerstyle Ji, I know when you are young that these stories and events with miracles. etc.. seem fascinating, and it is a natural reaction to question and 'wow!'
As a youngster, I, like yourself would often be fascinated and question such happenings. BUT, maybe I'm getting wiser and feel it was just childish thoughts at the time and now only the 'message' seems to be the highlight of the event.
In all honesty if I ever saw a book titled ' miracles by sikh gurus' or similar, then I wouldn't be too happy or impressed.

I hope you don't mind me saying this, but I'm sure you will understand if not now then later.

Waheguru
Lucky Singh

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 22-May-2012, 07:02 AM

Most people say..I will DIE IF i dont get "it"....Baba deep Singh ji Vowed to LIVE until he got "IT". ( It is WISH) Baba jis vow was to remain alive until he had reached Harmandar sahib and Liberated IT form the enemy..and he LIVED.

TigerStyleZ · #5 (**permalink**) 22-May-2012, 18:13 PM

Jairnail Singh ji, What is this " IT" - do you mean God?

Lucky Singh ji, it is the opposite of what you have said! I have no blind faith - I dont believe it myself - because I guess I am more realist. I would rather use my rational comon sense, physics and maths to explain this happenings before having blind faith in something. I just wanted to know where is the source of this Sakhi - is it written down? Everytime I am just fascinated of things I hear around the world - how the laws of gravity are hurdled etc..

harry haller · #6 (**permalink**) 22-May-2012, 18:32 PM

I find Sikhi compliments science and the laws of nature in full, and stands with them, rather than in competition

TigerStyleZ · #7 (**permalink**) 23-May-2012, 03:05 AM

Yes! I never had any doubt about it , thats another point why I love Sikhi.

But my problem is still there - where are the sources deliverd from of Baba Deep Singh ji etc. I don´t really believe in it but it can happen - many time I was fooled by my mind - I thought many things would never can happen - but i was teached that everything is possible. I guess I am outcasting my own principles? Isnt that paradoxic? Somehow this is blind faith? Or this is just hukam of Waheguru - I am getting mad ... I will never understand... This is just paradox like Shroedingers Cat - fascinating - confusing but comprehensible

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 23-May-2012, 05:46 AM

Tigerstylez Ji,
The IT is (wish).....as i wrote in my message earlier...
Many people say.."I WISH I were dead..when actually they NEVER really want death...BUT No one says..I Wish I were ALIVE....becasue thats reality..they are already ALIVE !! so whats to wish about that ??
Baba Deep Singh ji "wished" that reality..that I REMAIN ALIVE until I have Liberated/reached Darbar sahib. So he couldnt "die" before reaching that conclusion..and He did just that...he was ALIVE when he reached darbar sahib and threw his head into the Parkarma as a final offering.
2. There can be no "sources" from baba Deep Singh ji on this...sources are the soldiers of either side who were in the same battle...and both sides agree on what happened/seemed to happen..Panic among the Mughals and glory among the Sikhs.
3. Rest is up to us individually..becasue GURMATT/SIKHI is NOT DEPENDANT on such so called supernatural/miracles etc..we stand for TRUTH and TRUTHFUL LIVING..the Miracle is GURBANI which makes Humans into superhumans.

harry haller · #9 (**permalink**) 23-May-2012, 13:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerStyleZ

Yes! I never had any doubt about it , thats another point why I love Sikhi.

But my problem is still there - where are the sources deliverd from of Baba Deep Singh ji etc. I don´t really believe in it but it can happen - many time I was fooled by my mind - I thought many things would never can happen - but i was teached that everything is possible. I guess I am outcasting my own principles? Isnt that paradoxic? Somehow this is blind faith? Or this is just hukam of Waheguru - I am getting mad ... I will never understand... This is just paradox like Shroedingers Cat - fascinating - confusing but comprehensible

Veerji,

There is nothing not to believe, it is physically possible, as I said above, the only possible dispute could be the length of time, but did it happen? absolutely! and without miracles or jadoo, just plain will, determination and Gurus grace