As a Sikh do you ever ask when hurting or feeling low, God/Creator, why me?

Ambarsaria · #1 (**permalink**) 23-Mar-2012, 10:05 AM

We are all human being whether Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, atheists. Many a times our bodies reflect our ways of living. Our inner self also reflects a core quite but also very unique in our thoughts and reactions. One of the emotions generally related to our living is attachment/Moh. It affects us when what we experience differs from expectations in a negative way.
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EXAMPLES:

A dear one gets sick or passes away.
You lose all you have.
Nothing seem to go your way no matter how hard you try compared to person next to you, who you believe has all the luck.

We learn from the school of hard knocks and find ways to reason and achieve peace. It is perhaps possible we can learn and share as well and so help each other and our own selves.

How you cope spiritually and in your mind to negative feelings?

I believe it is Karma from many lives before that I am paying for.
I believe I am just reaping what I sow in this life.
Up/down is being human and creator is neither partial nor vengeful.
I am thankful for what I have versus be sorry for what is not perfect.
Other.

Any thoughts.

Sat Sri Akal.

BhagatSingh · #2 (**permalink**) 23-Mar-2012, 10:51 AM

How come it's not possible to select more than one option?

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How you cope spiritually and in your mind to negative feelings?

Any meditative tradition suggests teh path of least resistance. You let yourself feel the negativity and let yourself feel bad. No need for some kind of rational explanation or anything (like the ones in the poll) these add to the resistance. In fact, explanations and further thought initially hinders the meditative process. Just feel it. Feel the negativity in you and slowly start to feel the positivity surrounding the negativity. The positive in which the negative dwells. And be at peace with this negativity. It's OK to be negative.

Ambarsaria · #3 (**permalink**) 23-Mar-2012, 11:01 AM

Bhagat Singh ji thanks for your post. Couple of comments.

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Originally Posted by BhagatSingh

How come it's not possible to select more than one option?
I was looking for the strongest answer as a reflection on what one would experience most.

Any meditative tradition suggests teh path of least resistance. You let yourself feel the negativity and let yourself feel bad. No need for some kind of rational explanation or anything (like the ones in the poll) these add to the resistance. In fact, explanations and further thought initially hinders the meditative process. Just feel it. Feel the negativity in you and slowly start to feel the positivity surrounding the negativity. The positive in which the negative dwells. And be at peace with this negativity. It's OK to be negative.
So does negatively falls just as it rises naturally without any thoughts? I want to meet a person like that. Doesn't sound plausible to me.

Sat Sri Akal.

BhagatSingh · #4 (**permalink**) 23-Mar-2012, 11:18 AM

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I want to meet a person like that.

Oh there are sooo many. Authors of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Echkart Tolle, Shinzen Young, Thich Nhat Hanh, etc etc. list goes on...

Ok I went with "other". I cannot relate to any of the poll options. For me it's always other kinds of rational thoughts based on what I have studied of human biology and psychology, what I understand of the phenomenon itself, and the insights I got from meditating.

Thoughts are a result of and further drive the momentum of negativity. Hence why you replace thoughts with "Waheguru waheguru..." "Ram Ram..." and at least the negativity isn't being fuelled. Further meditation then clarifies the perception. You see things for what they are. You see reality itself, God. You will notice that an accurate perception of life is the antidote to negativity. So stop providing fuel, provide the antidote and the brain returns to homeostasis... eventually.

ਮਲਾਰ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ਪੜਤਾਲ ਘਰੁ ੩
मलार महला ४ पड़ताल घरु ३
Malār mėhlā 4 paṛ▫ṯāl gẖar 3
Malaar, Fourth Mehl, Partaal, Third House:

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥
ੴ सतिगुर प्रसादि ॥
Ik▫oaŉkār saṯgur parsāḏ.
One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਹਰਿ ਜਨ ਬੋਲਤ ਸ੍ਰੀਰਾਮ ਨਾਮਾ ਮਿਲਿ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਹਰਿ ਤੋਰ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
हरि जन बोलत स्रीराम नामा मिलि साधसंगति हरि तोर ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Har jan bolaṯ sarīrām nāmā mil sāḏẖsangaṯ har ṯor. ||1|| rahā▫o.
The humble servant of the Lord chants the Name of the Supreme Lord; he joins the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Lord's Holy. ||1||Pause||

ਹਰਿ ਧਨੁ ਬਨਜਹੁ ਹਰਿ ਧਨੁ ਸੰਚਹੁ ਜਿਸੁ ਲਾਗਤ ਹੈ ਨਹੀ ਚੋਰ ॥੧॥
हरि धनु बनजहु हरि धनु संचहु जिसु लागत है नही चोर ॥१॥
Har ḏẖan banjahu har ḏẖan sancẖahu jis lāgaṯ hai nahī cẖor. ||1||
Deal only in the wealth of the Lord, and gather only the wealth of the Lord. No thief can ever steal it. ||1||

ਚਾਤ੍ਰਿਕ ਮੋਰ ਬੋਲਤ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤੀ ਸੁਨਿ ਘਨਿਹਰ ਕੀ ਘੋਰ ॥੨॥
चात्रिक मोर बोलत दिनु राती सुनि घनिहर की घोर ॥२॥
Cẖāṯrik mor bolaṯ ḏin rāṯī sun gẖanihar kī gẖor. ||2||
The rain-birds and the peacocks sing day and night, hearing the thunder in the clouds. ||2||

ਜੋ ਬੋਲਤ ਹੈ ਮ੍ਰਿਗ ਮੀਨ ਪੰਖੇਰੂ ਸੁ ਬਿਨੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਾਪਤ ਹੈ ਨਹੀ ਹੋਰ ॥੩॥
जो बोलत है म्रिग मीन पंखेरू सु बिनु हरि जापत है नही होर ॥३॥
Jo bolaṯ hai marig mīn pankẖerū so bin har jāpaṯ hai nahī hor. ||3||
Whatever the deer, the fish and the birds sing, they chant to the Lord, and no other. ||3||

ਨਾਨਕ ਜਨ ਹਰਿ ਕੀਰਤਿ ਗਾਈ ਛੂਟਿ ਗਇਓ ਜਮ ਕਾ ਸਭ ਸੋਰ ॥੪॥੧॥੮॥
नानक जन हरि कीरति गाई छूटि गइओ जम का सभ सोर ॥४॥१॥८॥
Nānak jan har kīraṯ gā▫ī cẖẖūt ga▫i▫o jam kā sabẖ sor. ||4||1||8||
Servant Nanak sings the Kirtan of the Lord's Praises; the sound and fury of Death has totally gone away. ||4||1||8||
Guru Granth Sahib Page 1265

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Luckysingh · #5 (**permalink**) 23-Mar-2012, 13:43 PM

I don't think any specific one is what I feel the most as I would go for more than 1 option and it would vary from time and situation.
Then again, I try not to look at anything from the negative aspects and always try to view the positive within the matter. I can always find some positive reasoning with all dilemnas and this would be what I would focus on. But this search for positive doesn't always become clear on first approach, therefore a typical reaction could be- OK, this is the pits or the worst possible time such and such could have happened, so let's think what advantage or good could come out of this!!- this would be a typical example of a reaction to some disaster.
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When it comes to blaming, I try very hard NOT to blame others even when it's obvious, but I look at my weakness for letting it get to this stage. By this I mean, others are not always entirley to blame as I could have taken steps not so to prevent their actions- as this would be in their control but I could have taken steps to not let it affect me,as a result of their actions. So if a negative situation affects me then I feel something could have been done by me for not letting it progress and bother me.
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Waheguru
Lucky Singh

harry haller · #6 (**permalink**) 23-Mar-2012, 18:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Ambarsaria

We are all human being whether Sikhs, Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Buddhists, atheists. Many a times our bodies reflect our ways of living. Our inner self also reflects a core quite but also very unique in our thoughts and reactions. One of the emotions generally related to our living is attachment/Moh. It affects us when what we experience differs from expectations in a negative way.

EXAMPLES:

A dear one gets sick or passes away.
You lose all you have.
Nothing seem to go your way no matter how hard you try compared to person next to you, who you believe has all the luck.

We learn from the school of hard knocks and find ways to reason and achieve peace. It is perhaps possible we can learn and share as well and so help each other and our own selves.

How you cope spiritually and in your mind to negative feelings?

I believe it is Karma from many lives before that I am paying for.
I believe I am just reaping what I sow in this life.
Up/down is being human and creator is neither partial nor vengeful.
I am thankful for what I have versus be sorry for what is not perfect.
Other.

Any thoughts.

Sat Sri Akal.

Veerji

good question, I think there comes a time when we need to shy away from what is idealistic and right and concentrate on what is realistic and fruitful.

I am done with tomorrow, all I have is today, so right now, I would choose, and have chosen 'Up/down is being human and creator is neither partial nor vengeful'

I did think about 'I am thankful for what I have versus be sorry for what is not perfect', but that does not encapsulate my thinking as well as the former. Truth is I am in no mood to accept, but also in no mood to blame anyone other than myself for my own problems, (of which if I am honest, are few and minimal),

I think one has to accept that there is no magical miracle machine in the sky, everything we do, everything we think, has a knock on effect, there are also events beyond our control, if a madman breaks in and rapes my wife, we will have to live with and deal with that, I certainly would not start blaming Creator, or myself, but we would both certainly use our relationship with Creator to deal with the problem. Would we pray for forgiveness for the rapist, maybe visit him in jail, offer him a job when he came out? Absolutely not, that is the Christian way, We would see justice done, one way or another.

There is a facet of Sikhism to guide us through all events in our life, I feel a lot of Sikhs seem to be using one facet designed to deal with one problem, for all problems, or for the wrong problem, We get angry when we should be calm, We are calm when we should be angry, we retaliate when we should be looking for olive branches, we offer peace when we should be unsheathing our sword. We meditate when we should be fighting, and we fight when we should be at peace, We all know what to do, but only understanding and enlightenment tell us when and in what circumstance and which facet to deploy.

Annie · #7 (**permalink**) 24-Mar-2012, 14:16 PM

I need to find a reason for things that happen in ordr to keep my sanity. If I search enough, I can find some sort of positive side or at least a lesson in almost any situation.

Archived_member15 · #8 (**permalink**) 28-Mar-2012, 18:38 PM

My dear brother Harry,

I ask that question all the time, who doesn't? Ultimately I place my trust in the Divine Will of God. Suffering is not without meaning.

"...No hardship and loss is without some gain, and there is no harm that is wholly negative. Whoever has abandoned themselves and gone entirely out of themselves, for such a person nothing can be a cross, or pain or suffering, but for them all is bliss, joy and the heart’s delight and they will come and follow God truly. There are people who enjoy God in one way but not in another. They only want to possess God in one way of devotion and not in another. I will say no more about this, but it is nevertheless quite wrong. Whoever wants to receive God properly must receive him equally in all things, in oppression as in prosperity, in tears as in joy. Always and everywhere He is the same...If you wish that nothing should be far or remote from you, then join yourself to God, for then a thousand years will be like a single day. Thus I say that in God there is neither sadness, nor suffering, nor distress, and if you wish to be free of all distress and suffering, then turn to God and fix yourself in Him alone. It is certain that all your suffering comes from the fact that you do not turn to God and fix yourself in Him alone. The whole of human perfection is to respond in the same way to all things, not to be broken by adversity nor carried away by prosperity, nor to rejoice more in one thing than in another, nor to be frightened or grieved by one thing more than another. Real though the suffering is which in this way comes to the good person, everything which the good person suffers for the sake of God he or she endures in God and God suffers with them in their suffering. If our suffering is in God and God suffers with us, how then can suffering be grievous for us, when suffering loses its grievousness and our suffering is in God and is God? Just as God is Truth and wherever we find the truth we find our God, who is Truth, so too, in the same way exactly, when we find pure suffering in God and for God’s sake, we find God as our suffering. A quiet mind is one which nothing weighs on, nothing worries, which, free from ties and from all self-seeking, is wholly merged into the will of God and dead to its own..."
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- Meister Eckhart (c. 1260 – c. 1327), Catholic Mystic & priest

"...Grace is from God, and works in the depth of the soul whose powers it employs. It is a light which issues forth to do service under the guidance of the Spirit. The Divine Light permeates the soul, and lifts it above the turmoil of temporal things to rest in God. The soul cannot progress except with the light which God has given it as a nuptial gift; love works the likeness of God into the soul. The peace, freedom and blessedness of all souls consist in their abiding in God's will. Towards this union with God for which it is created the soul strives perpetually..."

- Meister Eckhart (c. 1260 – c. 1327), Catholic Mystic & priest

"...The most powerful form of prayer, and the one which can virtually gain all things and which is the worthiest work of all, is that which flows from a free mind. The freer the mind is, the more powerful and worthy, the more useful, praiseworthy and perfect the prayer and the work become. A free mind can achieve all things. But what is a free mind? A free mind is one which is untroubled and unfettered by anything, which has not bound its best part to any particular manner of being or devotion and which does not seek its own interest in anything but is always immersed in God’s most precious will, having gone out of what is its own..."

- Meister Eckhart (c. 1260 – c. 1327), Catholic Mystic & priest

Ambarsaria · #9 (**permalink**) 29-Mar-2012, 00:36 AM

Vouthon ji thanks for the quotes kaurhug from,
Meister Eckhart (c. 1260 – c. 1327), Catholic Mystic & priest
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What a brilliant mind?

Is there a book or other reference to read more of the Priest's work specially online or the Internet?

Regards.