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Old 03-Dec-2011, 13:39 PM
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i believe in the gurus,Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,and 5k and try to live my life as peaceful as can be. i rise in morn,shower, meditate ect... but alas, where i live i get threatend or arrest for ccw because of our article of faith, the kirpan. i ive in fear everyday of getting arrested over again and over. should i just abandon the kirpan? or just leave sikhism? im considering both and really dont know what to do.
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Please be guided by your conscience and Rest Leave to the Almighty..my first instinct response.
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Re: considering leaving sikhism

Kellyji,
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/37694-considering-leaving-sikhism-due-to-kirpan.html

Only you know in your heart what to do, and only you know in your heart what aspects of Sikhism attract you.

There are many sikhs that do not carry a Kirpan, in fact if you are not amritdhari, I do not think there is any specific need for you to carry one anyway.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37694

Whye exactly are you carrying a Kirpan anway if you have already been arrested once for ccw?

What is it about the Kirpan that seems to be the only link between you and Sikhi?
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Re: considering leaving sikhism

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i believe in the gurus,Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,and 5k and try to live my life as peaceful as can be. i rise in morn,shower, meditate ect... but alas, where i live i get threatend or arrest for ccw because of our article of faith, the kirpan. i ive in fear everyday of getting arrested over again and over. should i just abandon the kirpan? or just leave sikhism? im considering both and really dont know what to do.
Harry ji is talking good sense. Question #1:


Are you Amritdhari/Khalsa? From what I know of you, I would say, probably not. In that case you are not required to carry the kirpan and I would advise you to leave it at home. If one day, you choose to accept the blessing of Amrit, you will have a choice to make:

Either stay where you are and fight the illegality of the kirpan
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move.

If my assumption is wrong and you are now Amritdhari, let me know and I will send you a PM.
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Re: Considering Leaving Sikhism Due to Kirpan

Have you tried contacting SALDEF for help?
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Re: Considering Leaving Sikhism Due to Kirpan

i am not a iniated sikh, i am just a sikh. but i hold myself to the 5k, rules of being khalsa, 5k to heart. i believe in the gurus,Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ect. i wasnt born sikh, but ive read and lived my life to rules of a khalsa member. where i live, they dont do amrit because there are no the bowl thing (forgot it name sorry). im not bound to having to wear any of 5k, but i choose to andconsider myself a khalsa member even tho i havent taken amrit . i know some may argue im not a true member then, but iv pledged myself in my heart to rules,tenants and to the creator on my own.
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Re: Considering Leaving Sikhism Due to Kirpan

Kellysingh ji I believe hpannu ji gave a very specific suggestion perhaps worth checking. Namely I quote,

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I live here in US on the east coast in NJ and wear Kirpan all the time. Big one over my clothes and small one underneath. I would suggest contacting United Sikhs of America or Sikh Coalition in NYC. Don't know your circumstances or where you are in USA ...
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Judge Painter in Ohio, concurring in a judicial opinion in 1996 wrote, "To be a Sikh is to wear a kirpan--it is that simple." (http://www.sikhcoalition.org/LegalUS6.asp)
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37694
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=37694

We carry a kirpan as a reminder that we are obligated to defend those who can't defend themselves. If we can't defend our own right to religious freedom, how can we defend others. Sure, it's not easy to fight a legal battle. Who said it was easy to be a Sikh. Many Sikhs have died to protect our way of life. Sometimes standing up for your rights is dangerous and life threatening. Your lucky that it's only an inconvenience. The are lots of
organization out the that can help.
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The very first and basic requirement of a SIKH is the GYAAN KHARAGH...SWORD of KNOWLEDGE, CONSCIENCE, Fairness, KIRPA, dya , symapthy, empathy, justice etc..DHARAMA. No body gets "arrested" for this weapon..BUT yet very very few SIKHS carry this.
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2. The KHALSA is a Body which admits members via the Khandey dee Pahul ceremony also known as AMRIT SANSKAAR. No one can SELF ADMIT without the PANJ being present before the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. Guru Gobind Singh ji established this rule in 1699 at VASAKHI when HE too bowed before the PANJ and REQUESTED ADMISSION. SO Even the "GURU" is NOT EXEMPT.
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