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What does term 'Excommunication' mean in light of Guru Nanak's philosophy?

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Old 18-Feb-2010, 10:04 AM
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So one isn't a belief, its true; the other is not even a belief/principle, and the third is a metaphor.
Then perhaps you should enlighten me about the beliefs/principles, etc of Sikhism, then we can go on from there?


PS In your article and in your reply, you didn't present any passages from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji and show how its a metaphor in there. (4 yugs)
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Re: What does "excommunication" mean in light of Guru Nanak's philosophy?

The questions here is not who should be excommunicated who not.The question is whether is their any concept of excommunication in sikhism?
well the historical reference clearly tell us that concept is in sikhism.

The issue that it is misused is different one.There are lot of things in sikhism that are misused[/quote]

The issue is well explained in Gurbani of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

We are advised to STAY AWAY/IGNORE..the SAKAT ..meaning an atheist, agnostic, cynic..etc..(one who is going to lead one astray and away from the path of Gurmatt/Akal Purakh/sikhi)...and IF one meets a SANT...a Holy man who is walking this Path of Gurmatt ..in that case we are advised to..Kichh sunneah..kicch kaheayh..Nanak !! Discuss..have a dialogue..talk..listen....

SO Since the Ram Raiyas..the MINAS..etc were directly competing with GURU SAHIB ( as the Namdharees/Nirankaris/Radha Soamis/Deras/Babas/Saadhs/) are DOING TODAY...and all these come under the definition of SAKAT !! ..and LEAD YOU AWAY FROM Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji/GURMATT/TRUE PATH.

GENERAL DYER was bestowed a SIROPA and Robe of Honour at Akal Takhat...in modern times KPGill is being accorded the same treatment (BY NOT CONDEMNING HIM ) Prof GURMUKH SINGH was kicked out of Akal takhat becasue as a LOW CASTE he challenged the PUJAREES position.
Giani Ditt Singh who is fast becoming aFavourite of DG supporters wrote a CYNICAL PLAY about How his dearest friend and companion Prof Gurmukh Singh was treated by the religious Powers that be !! Prof Gurmukh Singh ji was NOT a RIVAL GURU..he was not starting a New Rival panth...so he is NOT in the same league as the ram Rai...minas..etc etc or the 22 gurus of Bakala.

THE Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is the supreme Akal Takhat. Any action has to be as per Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
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So WHAT does the GURU...Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji has to say.....
Listen Jios...
The Guru says..on Page 450..
Jin antar har har preet hai..te jan sugharr sianneh ram rajeh.
Jo bahron BHUL chuk Boldeh..bhee KHAREH HAR BHANNEH !!

Meaning All those who have the True Love of Har in their hearts..they are worthy of respect - sughharr sianneh wise..educated...
IF these than speak some "unbecoming" words.say the wrong words..disrespectful words....bhull chuk...STILL THEY ARE BELOVED of the HAR..and He LOVES them !!

In the context of Singh sahib Prof Darshan Singh Ji Khalsa Ji....he has a LIFE TIME of Kirtan Parchaar, Katha parchaar, Panthic SEVA, Jathedaree of Akal takhat in tumultous times post 1984, and even IF he has spoken a few words of disrespect ( I say IF becasue he hasnt - its just for arguments sake) His Past RECORD speaks volumes and he is still BELOVED of His GURU..the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji for whose satikaar he is fighting tooth and nail. The GURU loves him just as before. The People vested with power at the Takhats hsould have shown the magnanimity of Guru Bestowed ministership to Forgive magnamiously. See the example of GURU ARJUN JI...and Bhatts Satta Balwand Ji....when the Bhatts became annoyed with Guru ji..and went away..first Guru Ji sent his highest SIKHS...to their house to convey Guru Jis message to come back...and when this failed GURU JI WENT IN PERSON and brought them BACK!!
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/29260-what-does-term-excommunication-mean-light.html

SEE How Guru Arjun Ji walks BAREFOOT to Bhai MOHANS CHUBARA !!! He could have easily SUMMONED bhai Mohan to appear before Him !!

BUT then we are Modern Sikhs..we have no place/thaan for the GURU..our EGOS are too big...how can we let a fly settle on our noses even for a split second !!:happykaur:
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