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03-Jun-2009, 20:38 PM
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Veer jio Gur fateh!! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/25273-mool-mantar.html Please shed some light upon the full mool-mantar because at some places it is recited upto "Gur parsaad." and at some places upto "Naanak hosi bhi sach." Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 What does mean the 'Mangalacharan' and where is it used? There are many scholars on this forum so please educate us. Thanks. Ajmer Singh Randhawa. *  Do share your immediate thoughts or reactions on this issue? We value your views! Login Now! or Sign Up Today! to share your views with us.. Gurfateh!  |
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03-Jun-2009, 20:44 PM
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| Re: Mool-mantar Veer ji, Two good questions. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 Forum member Soul_jyot ji is the best one to explain the two ways of reciting the mool-mantar. On the second question - if I am not mistaken, there are a few discussions about that already here at SPN. I will search and give you the links for starters. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 Does this look to you as if we need two threads rather than one so the discussion does not overlap and become confusing? Thanks. |
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03-Jun-2009, 20:51 PM
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| Re: Mool-mantar Thanks veerji, for taking the subject seriously by eeing it's importance. So far i have joined SPN, i am not aware of any such thread. In case if it has been discussed here, please answer my question in brief otherwise let it be open to discuss. Thanks. Ajmer Singh Randhawa.  |
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03-Jun-2009, 21:06 PM
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| Re: Mool-mantar Ajmer Singh ji, Guru Fateh. You write: Quote:
From your previous interesting posts one can assume you have a great knowledge about Gurbani. So I would like you to shed some light on your own question from your Gurmat perspective and share with us. I am sure your insights will help us learn a lot from you about the subject. Thanks Tejwant Singh |
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03-Jun-2009, 21:12 PM
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| Re: Mool-mantar I don't understand the means of Manglaacharan, so i asked. I was told by someone scholar that the Mool Mantar chanted upto 'Gur parsaad' is mangalaacharan and if chanted full upto "Naanak hosi bhi sach" shall be called Mool Mantar. This full Mool-Mantar upto "Naanak hosi bhi sach" is chanted once only in Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji but many times upto ,'Gur parsaad.' So to clear doubts, i asked you through this forum. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 Thanks. Ajmer Singh Randhawa |
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03-Jun-2009, 21:14 PM
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| Re: Mool-mantar Veer Tejwant Singh ji. I have just posted to clear my doubts. Your kind help is solicited in this regard. I have humbly asked to clear doubts and confusion. Thanks. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 Ajmer Singh Randhawa. |
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03-Jun-2009, 21:16 PM
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| Re: Mool-mantar Ajmer ji OK -- You are talking about <> siqgur pRswid ik oa(n)kaar sathigur prasaadh || One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru: Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 Nihang Sukha Singh Akaali ji explains it this way -- An appeal to the One Creative Supportive Nourishing Destructive Being, who is the Sat, always true, and who is found through the Grace of Guruji. |
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03-Jun-2009, 21:25 PM
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03-Jun-2009, 21:27 PM
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| Re: Mool-mantar Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa...Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.......... As far I know and IMHO...Mool Mantar is Up to "Gurprasad".. because after that JAP starts...it doesn't mean to recite...but It means JAP baani Starts...Like Rehraas, Jaap, Sukmani, Anand are baani's... We added Ji and Sahib to JAP baani... as a respect...and we added Sahib as respect to all baani's... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 now ..let me say something to support it...(these are given as support to me).... Many times in Sri Guru Granth Sahib... Whole Mool Mantar is written ..and that is up to "Gurparsad" (sorry I don't remember the count)... and many times Guru Ji had cut short it to "EK OngKaar Gurparsad"...or "Ek Ongkaar Satnam Gurparsad".... like we recite first 5 Pauri's and 40th Pauri of Anand baani (Anand Sahib- with respect) You will find "AAD SACH...JUGAD SACH...HAI BHI SACH..NANAK HOSI BHI SACH" in Sukhmani baani (Sukhmani Sahib) ...its same like "AAD GUREY NAMAH...JUGAD GUREY NAMAH..SATGUREY NAMAH..SRI GURDEVEY NAMAH" in Sukhmani Sahib..while starting Sukhmani Baani... This is compliation of what I heard in Gyani Amreek Singh Ji's katha broadcasted from Gurdwara Dukh Niwaran Sahib, Ludhiana, Khalistan....last month... and a talk with Raagi of Gurdwara from Bradrock road, farifax, Virginia. Now what I practice....., I believe in reciting more baani...so I recite upto "Nanak Hosi Bhi Sach"...like I recite Long Rehraas ...Long Chaupi Sahib..sometimes full Anand Sahib while doing Rehraas (Sahib)... its just what I think to made a habit of reciting more baani...but if I will be doing in Gurdwara.. I will do as per SGPC.short Rehraas (Sahib)..short Chaupai (Sahib)...6 Pauriyaan of Anand (Sahib) baani...and no Pauri.at last....because I don't want to confuse others with my practice... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 I hope this will help to clear you doubt...Actually Mool Mantar is up to Gurparsad...and we have practice that if we are doing it in Sangat...because that's what is true.and we are not supposed to divert the Sangat..but individually you are free to recite baani to any extent you want..may be up to full 1st Pauri of Jap (Jap Ji Sahib)... This is what I learned and what I feel... Chardi Kala..... |
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03-Jun-2009, 22:00 PM
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Ads ji This is an old controversy. Controversy may be too strong a word. Up to gur prasaad is taken as the Mangala Charan, and the managla charan can also take the form Ik Oankaar Sat Gur Prasaad, when used as part of the raag structure in Sri Guru Granth Sahib. The Mool Mantar includes every thing up to and including "Nanaka hosi bi sach" according to many authorities. The Khalsanet article with link that I posted gives the history of the "controversy." The act of shortening the Mool Mantar to end with gurprasaad was undertaken by the SGPC in 1932. The source states: Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 In Sikh Dharm today, there are essentially two main schools of thought. On the one hand, we have the Sampardahs, which date back to the time of our Gurus; and on the other, there is the Shromani Parbandak Gurdwara Committee (SPGC), which was established relatively recently in the year 1925, and has managed to garner a good deal of influence over Sikh affairs by controling several key religious institutions. The article -- very interesting -- also provides information about the Sampardahs that state that the full mool mantar continues to Nanaka hose bi sach. Although the Khalsanet article goes on to say that the SGPC decision amounts to "heresy" IMHO that kind of rhetoric is not necessary.  Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network - Think Discuss Share Learn Evolve http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25273 |
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