31-May-2009, 22:00 PM
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1.What does ex-communication mean according to Sikh values?
| Excommunication is rooted in sikh tradition and history.Read about excommunication of Ram rai,
Dhirmalias by Guru sahibs. Quote: |
2.Can someone explain what kind of Gurmat values it is based on which are prescribed by our Gurus in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
| Guru granth sahib asks for appropriate punishment for a Gurnindak.
Quote: | 3. How can one stop somone from being a Learner- a Sikh- a Seeker? | One has to take Gurmantra to become a sikh. A Sikh has to be initiated. 
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31-May-2009, 22:08 PM
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Inder Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
Thanks for finally responding but as usual your responses do not make any sense.
Let's try to decipher them a bit.
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Excommunication is rooted in sikh tradition and history.Read about excommunication of Ram rai, Dhirmalias by Guru sahibs.
| Please share the above in details with us. When one asks the questions, give references with details not just vague responses. Quote: |
Guru granth sahib asks for appropriate punishment for a Gurnindak
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Once again a vague response. Give details from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to prove your point. Quote: |
One has to take Gurmantra to become a sikh. A Sikh has to be initiated.
| Once again the above response makes no sense. Initiated by whom? So you mean a new born baby in a Gursikh household in NOT a Sikh? Please explain. What is he or she then?
Please be specific in your responses.
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31-May-2009, 22:27 PM
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You know Inder, If anyone needs to be excommunicated today it should be Mr Badal himself.
I don't know much about the opinions of Kala Afghana myself, but I do know that the Akal Takat has become a joke in the hands of the current "custodians" of the panth. So excommuncation is very likely to be politically motivated and not panthic these days. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/25205-kala-afghana-discussion-redux.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205
The other thing I'd like to add regards the so-called 'Dasam Granth Controversy'. People have been debating the authenticity of the Dasam Granth a long time before any of us reading this were born. The truth is that the Singh Sabha Movement (the original one of Bhai Vir Singh's time) was largely responsible for a skeptical reception to the granth. As far I'm aware, no one was ever 'ex communicated' in previous debates of the Dasam Granth, so why has it suddenly become such a hot potatoe???
Could it be that certain controversial writers are now publicised and highlighted so that we are kept busy arguing over them and not the leeching corrupt leaders that sit on thrones juicing the quom for all it 's worth?
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Originally Posted by VaheguruSeekr  Inder Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
Thanks for finally responding but as usual your responses do not make any sense.
Let's try to decipher them a bit.
Your write:
Please share the above in details with us. When one asks the questions, give references with details not just vague responses.
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Once again a vague response. Give details from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji to prove your point.
Once again the above response makes no sense. Initiated by whom? So you mean a new born baby in a Gursikh household in NOT a Sikh? Please explain. What is he or she then?
Please be specific in your responses.
Tejwant Singh | I concur we need more detailed responses since this topic deals with a serious issue.
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01-Jun-2009, 06:28 AM
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Dal singh ji
I agree with you about Badal. Quote: |
The other thing I'd like to add regards the so-called 'Dasam Granth Controversy'. People have been debating the authenticity of the Dasam Granth a long time before any of us reading this were born. The truth is that the Singh Sabha Movement (the original one of Bhai Vir Singh's time) was largely responsible for a skeptical reception to the granth. As far I'm aware, no one was ever 'ex communicated' in previous debates of the Dasam Granth, so why has it suddenly become such a hot potatoe???
| Please provide a reference in support of your statement.There was never doubt about authenticity of Dasam Granth. Only Teja singh Bhasaur raised the issue and he was excommunicated. Bhag singh ambala was the next one and he was also excommunicated/ |
01-Jun-2009, 07:06 AM
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Inder ji,
Guru Fateh, Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205
Still waiting for the responses for my questions.
Interaction and learning about Gurmat values can only occur if you respond.
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Originally Posted by Inder singh To know something about this anti sikh cult please see the video Sikh Clips |
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.......
Nice clips...really a wonderful clip...I think these missionaries seems to be dumb and fool...like me...who wanted to argue without reason...how can they say " HOW CAN YOU SAY EK IS ALL" so funny...I think that guy thinks that he himself is not one. either he himself is half..double .. So funny......
Guru Ji rightly said "Moorkhe naal na lujiye Kar gallan eho bujiye" ...today I understood the meaning exactly....Guru Ji is great..........
People like these have spoiled Guru's Sikhi.. These fools are going to suffer....lets see when they will...........
Thanks for link 
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03-Jun-2009, 06:49 AM
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa ...Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh... Tejwant Singh Ji..
Reading your reply regarding Khalsa's Baana..I remembered one great katha by Gyani Amreek Singh Ji- Chandigarh Waale...on Khalsa Akal Purakh Ki Fauj..in detail explained what is this baana..why Khalsa......... Code: http://www.zshare.net/audio/60731321d8a4a60c/ Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205
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