Sikh Atheism

I am a proud Sikh, proud of our history and what the Gurus have done for us. However, I just cannot believe in the concept of God, who created everything, especially when science has proved otherwise. I feel troubled and divided, but I strongly believe that because Sikhism is a spiritual religion, the idea of God can be seperated from our religion.
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Can anyone back me up here?
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Dear SKD179,

I understand what you are saying, but the truth is that the concept of waheguru or god is an integral part of sikhism. Sikhism's foundation is on the belief of one creator. You must also understand that science hasn't proved that god doesnt exsist. Science has discovered many things that are still unexplained. Also understand that god cannot be found with our 5 senses, you must connect with waheguru with your soul through nam simran. God is beyond our 5 senses.
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I know that doesnt help that much, but it should clear some things up

Everything we precieve about the environment is through our 5 senses. The nerves on our hands, in our ears, eyes, nose,etc all give electrical signals to different parts of our brain. What if this isnt reality, what if we are just brains in a jar controlled by somebody who is just giving electrical signals to different parts of the brain?? Do we exist??. Just something to think about.

I can totally understand what you are going through as I have been there my self.
Science has not disproved the existence of a Sikh God. Read Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji the Sikh God is VERY different from other Gods. This God cannot be disproven. How can He/She/It be disproven when Sikhs relate him to energy, infinity, universal law, etc?

In Sikhism having a God has a purpose. Sikhi says One God and we all belong to the same God, which is a big step towards unity and equality of mankind. Sikhi says God is served through serving humanity, what better way to make the world a better place. By attributing all our deeds to God and by meditating, we all able to stay away from extreme emotions (the five thieves as some call them).

God is Sargun (all attributes) meaning all things you see around you. God is also nirgun (no attbutes) meaning nothing around you. So God exists and doesn't, at the same time! What does that tell you? That you can not believe in God all you want and still belive in him. And you can believe in him all you want and still not believe in him. That kind of makes every Sikh an atheist. So if you are atheist Sikh then be proud! (Although you don't have to call yourself atheist)

Ek Onkar Gur Prasad
Mr. Bhagat, I can only hope that someday this anxiety which you are going through regarding the concept of GOD would become the very source of your bhagati and therfore making you the Bhagat as you name suggest.

Lets us begin: Irrespective of any religion to whom one may belong everyone of us agree that GOD, that almighty power/being is complete in itself. It doesn't require any external support for its existence.Now we bring in Science as you have mentioned in your post that science has proved otherwise.Please note here, only when one thing is complete in itself can it be used to evaluate or assess the other. No subjects wheather, science, history,geography,mathematics, chemistry or any other is complete in itself.As you said, science has proved otherwise but the subject science itself is incomplete. We know laws of physics but we don't know why they exist. Since all of us consider GOD to be complete, then only that person, subject,or material which is complete in itself can evaluate GOD. Since there is nothing independently existing by itself beside GOD, so any evaluation we make or we come up with is in error.
Hope this will clarify your anxiety regarding science.
Regarding the concept of GOD: I would appreciate if you could ask you question in more details. But I would still try.
In Sikhism there is only one GOD who is the creator, sustainer and destroyer of the world. As a human my goal is to have union with GOD.Please note that as a human I keep it as a goal to have union with GOD but it doesn't mean that I am seperated from GOD. Since we all came from GOD, we have GOD in us. The soul is part of GOD itself.Having union with GOD is like going back to our home from where all these started. Guru is seen as the most important thing in Sikhism as Guru act as a bridge for a Sikh to realize GOD.Three things are very important Nam Japna(Meditating on GOD), Kirat Karna(doing ur actions as they are supposed to be done), Vadka Shakna(Sharing with others).
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Again please refer you question in what respect you don't understnad the concept of GOD.
Once again I want to repeat regarding science, Only a complete thing can evaluate another complete thing. How can we use science which is incomplete in itself
to measure the GOD we all consider complete.
Thanking You.

AjitFlora ji, he says and you are saying ---------------------------------------------
God is sargun. agreed? Sargun is all attributes, therefore God has all attributes. agreed? Therefore, God is both complete and incomplete. and hence, we can use something incomplete to evaluate him/her/it.

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I can totally understand what you are going through as I have been there my self. Science has not disproved the existence of a Sikh God. Read Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji the Sikh God is VERY different from other Gods. This God cannot be disproven. How can He/She/It be disproven when Sikhs relate him to energy, infinity, universal law, etc?

hey brother bhagat singh will u plz tell me how is sikh god different from others .guru sahib told every one that god is one nd ur trying to say that we hav a different god .

Your post if full of contradictions.

There is a saying " Jaan rah piya jane, Jaan vaah piya jane" you like many in this forum have neither. Just Words. Gallein Yog na hove.

Pehaps you have responded in a hurry?

There are nether worlds beneath nether worlds, and hundreds of thousands
of heavenly worlds above. The Vedas say that you can search and search for them all, until you grow weary. The scriptures
say that there are 18,000 worlds, but in reality, there is only One Universe. If you try to write an account of this, you will surely
finish yourself before you finish writing it. O Nanak, call Him Great! He Himself knows Himself. || 22 || The praisers praise
the Lord, but they do not obtain intuitive understanding.the streams and rivers flowing into the ocean do not know its
vastness. Even kings and emperors, with mountains of property and oceans of wealth.these are not even equal to an ant,
who does not forget God. || 23 || Endless are His Praises, endless are those who speak them. Endless are His Actions,
endless are His Gifts. Endless is His Vision, endless is His Hearing. His limits cannot be perceived. What is the Mystery of His
Mind? The limits of the created universe cannot be perceived. Its limits here and beyond cannot be perceived. Many struggle to
know His limits, but His limits cannot be found. No one can know these limits. The more you say about them, the more there
still remains to be said. Great is the Master, High is His Heavenly Home. Highest of the High, above all is His Name. Only one
as Great and as High as God can know His Lofty and Exalted State. Only He Himself is that Great. He Himself knows Himself. O

Nanak, by His Glance of Grace, He bestows His Blessings. || 24 ||ang 5


AASAA, FIRST MEHL: Hearing of His Greatness, everyone calls Him Great. But just how Great His Greatness is.this is known
only to those who have seen Him. His Value cannot be estimated; He cannot be described. Those who describe You, Lord,
remain immersed and absorbed in You. || 1 || O my Great Lord and Master of Unfathomable Depth, You are the Ocean of
Excellence. No one knows the extent or the vastness of Your Expanse. || 1 || Pause || All the intuitives met and practiced
intuitive meditation. All the appraisers met and made the appraisal. The spiritual teachers, the teachers of meditation, and the
teachers of teachers.they cannot describe even an iota of Your Greatness. || 2 || All Truth, all austere discipline, all
goodness, all the great miraculous spiritual powers of the Siddhas.without You, no one has attained such powers. They are
received only by Your Grace. No one can block them or stop their flow. || 3 || What can the poor helpless creatures do? Your
Praises are overflowing with Your Treasures. Those, unto whom You give.how can they think of any other? O Nanak, the
True One embellishes and exalts. || 4 || 2 || AASAA, FIRST MEHL: Chanting it, I live; forgetting it, I die. It is so difficult to
chant the True Name. If someone feels hunger for the True Name, that hunger shall consume his pain. || 1 || How can I
forget Him, O my mother? True is the Master, True is His Name. || 1 || Pause || Trying to describe even an iota of the
Greatness of the True Name, people have grown weary, but they have not been able to evaluate it. Even if everyone were to
gather together and speak of Him, He would not become any greater or any lesser. || 2 || That Lord does not die; there is
no reason to mourn. He continues to give, and His Provisions never run short. This Virtue is His alone; there is no other like
Him. There never has been, and there never will be. || 3 || As Great as You Yourself are, O Lord, so Great are Your Gifts. Ang 9

The One who created the day also created the night. Those who forget their Lord and Master are vile and despicable. O Nanak,
without the Name, they are wretched outcasts. || 4 || 3 || ang 10

COuld you point out my contradictions?