Quantum Physics, Science and Sikhism

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When I was watching a video on Quantum Physics I was amazed at the similarities between QP and Sikhi. So I wrote the following article:
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http://www.projectnaad.com/wp-conten...cs_article.pdf

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Looks like we think alike, its just that I am a late comer and you got here first. You can add more stuff from these 3 sites.
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Orion's Arm
http://www.sikhs.wellington.net.nz/Sikh_Religion.pdf
http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/interf...is-gurmat.html

whoa these are slippery slopes

and how does sikhism explain the behaviour of a particle in a box? or the orientation and energy levels of electrons in molecular orbitals just before bonding?

science and sikhi are not the same...one is a lesson in morality the other a lesson in trying to understand natural events. what you are doing is the same thing christian philosophers did by integrating aristotelian science to dogma (only to be disappointed with the advent of modern science).
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what you should ask yourself: If science had said the exact opposite of what is written in the Granth would you have excluded it? or better yet, pass the science off as incorrect and inaccurate?

In my opinion this a fruitless project. The two dont have anything in common...the fact that they agree superfiscially is a fact of convenience rather than a fact of divine cosmic revelation.

cheers



PS:
the distance from the earth to the moon was first calculated by Erastothenes (working with ratios provided by Aristochos of Samos) in 230-310 BC! he measured it to within an accuracy of 10%.
Note: he was the first to calculate this distance.... now during the time of the Guru's (1600-1700 years later) we can imagine that this number and inaccuracy would only have reduced.
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(he was more popularly known for calculating the circumference of the earth...and he did it with extreme accuracy)

so... that knowledge already existed. Astronomy was a mature science even during the time of our Guru's (which is a common misconception). Even Indian astrologers and astronomers were interested in these things. The arrival of the mughals would have only added to indian poupulations existing knowledge (forming a network of consensus amongst greek/egyption/arabic/persian/indian astronomers)

the discovery of planets was known by many ... you had astronomers like Tyco Brahe (1546-1601) who were calculating and mapping planetary motion extremely accurately (somtimes deviating by less than 1/2 an degree). You also have accurate historical accounts by both greek and egyption scholars of supernova events (which concluded finally that the cosmos was not static and continously changing... rejuvinating and producing new things while destryoing others).

atom theorists also existed in egypt! long before the coming of our guru's and
Dr. Dalton's proposition of a small particles.

yes i knew the greeks, egyptians etc knew many things that are metioned by the gurus in guru granth sahib but there is one thing i dont get... how did the gurus know that stuff??
that knowledge was lost for quite a while

The Greeks and Egyptians learned their lessons from the sages of India. Europe lost track of the knowledge of the ancient world -- as part of a scheme of planned forgetting. Modern Europe rediscovered the ancient world and its knowledge, in large part because of texts and records preserved in the east.

The ancient wisdom of India was never forgotten in India. It was handed down generation to generation in, down into the time of the Gurus, and even until today.

How did the ancient wisdom travel from India to Egypt and Greece? Trade routes -- the Silk Road, the Spice Road, and by sea through to the Mediterranean Sea. The ancient world of Hindus, Buddhists, Jews and later Muslims, was a busy place where books containing knowledge of ideas and philosophies were packed up on mules and camels along with silk, spices and gold. And holy men traveled these routes as well. As the West fell in to the Dark Ages; the East retained its libraries, philosophers, and traditions of knowledge without interruption.
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Cool, huh?

Thank You for providing a reference to such an interesting and revealing topic.
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There are some friends of mine who would be interested in this type of info.

"yes i knew the greeks, egyptians etc knew many things that are metioned by the gurus in guru granth sahib but there is one thing i dont get... how did the gurus know that stuff??
that knowledge was lost for quite a while "

---Bhagat Singh


Well.... the knowledge was never "lost" it was just translated into different sources and perserved from the religious nut jobs in Europe.

And do not forget the fact that indian astronomers were also extremely successfull. Aryabhatta was studying motions of the solar system and heliocentric models in the end of the 5th century (india was an advanced civilization....mystical and spiritual no doubt..... but advanced in terms of engineering and practical observational science)
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Siddhanta Shiromani (12th century) was another established indian astronomer (researched lunar/solar eclipses, developed various astronomical instruments for measurement)

Indian theorists also postulated the existance of atoms..."sapekshavad" it was a philosophical concept that explained atoms and elements. entire groups of theoriest known as atomists existed on the indian subcontinent.

aad0002 explains this well...knowledge did travel Both from india to the middle east and from the middle east to india. Even Guru Nanak's spiritual messages made it to the far reaches of the middle east. So knowledge travelled with trade.

While the europeans plunged into the dark ages and started persecuting men of science the east perserved, capitilised and expanded on the ancient knowledge.

However, after europes "political reorganization" (the late middle ages) the ball of science started to role again producing scientists like Copernicus, Brahe, Bruno, Kepler, Galileo, Newton, Descartes (the Renaissance had started after the fall of Constantinople...which lead to the rediscovery of ancient texts)


but there is no connection between quantum mechanics and the teachings of our guru. thus i will reiterate;
the fact that they agree superfiscially is a fact of convenience rather than a fact of divine cosmic revelation.

Sinister ji
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The rediscovery of ancient texts by Europe is an aspect of history that excites me every time. Bagdad was a repository of important literature for centuries. The city must have been an immense collection of libraries and book sellers. The writings of Greek philosophers were preserved and also discussed in the discourse of Islamic scholars in Northern Africa and the Middle East. The Pope in Rome knew of Guru Nanaak and his teachings. Perhaps we in the modern and post modern age made some discoveries, and so we also think history began with us. Wish I had the time to study this in earnest.

Dear Sinister

Thanks a lot for such an interesting information and that to in very coherent way . I could almost understand everythin you wrote


Yes I would tend to agree with you on this one but I would add something that is TECHINICALLY there is nothin similar in these two things as one is Praise of the whole and other is science of the whole ( quantam)

so they are not same but but some body at some stage it might seems that they both are trying to reach out for same thing that is science of everthing

In short Recently I watched some documentaries about the reent development about Quantam Physics and I would say I really felt the same excitement and sense of Joy as I find in reading the praise of the whole ( religious scripture not specifically SGGGS)

MAy be its just me but one of my clossest friend also share this feeling

anyway thanks and I just wrote what I understand about it


Jatinder Singh