Do we need "intermediaries" in Sikhism ?

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.

Looking at the preponderance of "Sants" and "Brahmgianis" on the Sikhi Scene today I cant help but wonder If we have fallen into the Well that Guru ji pulled us out of.

When GURU NANAK JI came on the Scene...."Satgur nanak Pargitaya, miti dhund jagg chhanann hoiya" Bhai Gurdass ( and Bhai Ji is NOT discussing the weather here !!)..the BRAHMAN/PROHIT/MIDDLEMAN/SADHU/HOLYMAN/God's AGENT etc had the entire Hindu Population by the NOSE RING. NO ONE dared say a single word agaisnt the Brahman...every thing was done after consulting him..he had an absolute stranglehold on everybody's lives...KNOWLEDGE/LANGUAGE/SACRED TEXTS were his EXCLUSIVE DOMAIN...any body else specifically forbidden at pain of DEATH to listen/read these texts etc...a Shudra who even accidentally happen to "hear" the sacred texts being read would be punished by having molten lead poured into his ears..or his tongue pulled out if he was caught reading them...
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GURU JI began His 250 Year LONG and arduous MISSION to UPROOT the BRAHMAN..GURBANI was written in the Comon man's language, Gurbani was made accessible to all, no intermediraies was made the RULE rther than the exception, For EACH SIKH was Guru ji made it Compulsory to study his own scriptures, do ardass, pray etc..no dependance on the Priests or Brahmans..slowly but surely Guru ji succeeded in His Mission..the Brahman was uproted from Sikhi... but in the 200 years after 1708..Sikhs again fell into the same well... the "BRAHMAN" was back in SIKHI GUISE as the BRAHM-GIANI"..Ordinary Siksh placed these on such a High Pedestals that no Brahmgiani could do NO WRONG..He was as INFALLIBLE as the POPE of Middle Ages..Siksh began to quote SUKHMANI SAHIB... Brahmgiani ki gatt Brahmgiani janneh... ONLY a Brahmgiani can really know a Brahmgiani..efectively SEALING off all debate about accountability/mistakes/errors.. The SIKH had disregarded His GURU JI's ADVICE and put the Brahman noose in his nose and handed the string to the BRAHM-GIANI to pull in whichever direction he pleases.

When we have a "surprise" for a loved one, we tell him/her.."close your eyes" and open them when I tell you to....a Brahmgiani in 1984 told an Entire Mass Grouping to CLOSE YOUR EYES KHALSA JI....and keep them closed until I tell you to open them...20 Years passed...no "surprise" is revealed...instead DEATH intervened...and....the Noose string is handed over to the next instant "Brahmgiani"...to keep the eyes closed until told to open them...for the surprise to unfold... amazing !!!..YES.. This is the power of the brahmgiani..Gurbani, GURU , Common Sense, everything takes second place... what the Brahmgiani says goes 100%...even when his words have been proven hollow.

SIKHS must go back to their roots...GURBANI and GURU JI's EXAMPLE whereby NO intermediary is needed between aSIkh and Akal Purakh. There is NO priest, no sant, no sadhu, no barhmgiani in Sikhism..ALL these are for themsleves.NOT for us. Gurbani clearly and conclusively says..At the Darbar of Jam..NO ONE..not your dad, mum, grandpa, grandma, sant,baba,maharaj,brahmgiani, is going to STAND in for YOU... as you sow so shall you REAP.EACH person is rsponsible for his own. For over 400 years 1469-1930..there is NOT a SINGLE HUMAN addressed as SANT/BRAHMGIANI..in Sikh History... this mushrooming began after 1945..and since 1984 has grown expotentially...soon there will be more brahmgianis than sikhs. WHAT does this FACT PROVE ?? Judge for yourself.

Jarnail Singh Gyani

 
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Dear Gyani Ji,

I have an intermediary, i.e. Sri Guru Granth Sahib. I do not need any one else.
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With love and respect for all.
Amarpal Singh

Dear Jarnail Singh ji

Excellent topic gain by you but can you tell what specifically ( I mean person ...)you are trying to indicate in thi s quote


Jatinder Singh

Just a vague guess... Gyani ji is refering to Baba Thakur Singh Ji who passed away recently ?

Well I aspected a answer from Jarnail ji any i yhink this is what he also meant and to my surprise It never came to my mind why would any body will say so (Jarnail singh Bhindrawale)is still alive when we have documentation and even vedio of his body , but I could not think of any reason but now at least i have one rational reason for such statement .

Waheguru Ji ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki fateh.

Yes i meant baba Thakur Singh Ji who passed away without revealing where Sant ji jarnail Singh is ....and the mystery is passed on to the next Jathedar to uphold.

The Sikh kaum has been put into "PAUSE MODE" for the past 20 years by this move....just what the GOI needs to get its act together....

The Mahaan Shahedee of a great martyr has been "paused" and thus nullified. Waiting for a nonexistent leader ??? is just passing the buck ?? NO deciisons need be made..because - stock answer is _ "Wait for SANT JI to come back..He will do what is necessary !!!" NO DIRECTION was given to us for 20 years and we are still being asked to keep our eyes closed..UNTIL SANT JI comes back.
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SANT JI was never afraid of any jail or any Govt..he went everywhere fearlessly and bravely.... so it is not his chracter to keep him hiding for 20 years...what can he posssibly do now that he couldnt do in the past 20 years IF he is indeed alive and in hiding ??? Clearly his "disappearance and hiding" is just a PAUSE MODE trick to put off decision making responsibility ( low level staff use this trick...Wait for the BOSS...i cant make any deciison..." )
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jarnail singh

Waheguru Ji KaKhalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!

Giani Jarnail Singh Ji, I think this is a great topic you have started. I would like to say, however, that I believe Brahmgianis do exist. Not in the way the Hindu Brahmins were, however, and definitely not the way those people are who claim to be sants and babas in the newspapers and magazines. For Sikhs, a Brahmgiani is that person who was the perfect Sikh, and they are God. In Sukhmani Sahib da paath, there is also a tuk "Brahmgiani aap Parmesar." Brahmgiani is himself God, there is no difference. Or "Brahmgiani sadh jeevai, nahi marta." Like God, for he is God, Brahmgiani never dies. Even after there is a saskaar for the body, the Brahmgiani can come back into this world. And "Brahmgiani ka Kathhiya na Jaaye Adhaakhar." What Brahmgiani says will happen, WILL HAPPEN. The Brahmgiani's word is Waheguru's word, and no one can change that.But that Brahmgiani does not announce to the world, "LOOK! I'M A BRAHMGIANI! I AM GOD'S FAVORITE, AND I CAN SAVE YOU AND FIX ALL YOUR PROBLEMS IF YOU PAY ME!!!" No, we can only trust that person to be Brahmgiani which helps us without asking for anything in turn, without trying to make the status of a king in others' eyes. Only that person who really does try to help other Sikhs, and people in general, to find the path to God, without trying to make them run around behind him like a crazed fanatic who can't see anything else as right.


And about Sikhs waiting around for 20 years before they could open their eyes and see the surprise and dance in glee, newsflash - you're not getting it. So all those people who are waiting for SANT Baba Jarnail Singh Ji Khalsa, Bhindranwale to come back, they need to think why their mahaan, bahaadur leader would hide for TWENTY years, when they've been waiting for him so PATIENTLY to come and LEAD them, because they obviously don't know what to do. How long will they wait? They've already waited 20 years, will they wait another 20? 40? 100? It doesn't end. It never will. That's why you shouldn't wait. Instead of hoping and wishing and praying, and using a mountain of different arguments and well-known people's assurances to convince yourself that he will come back, because you're SO COMPLETELY lost as to how to live a religious life, maybe we should move on, and pave our own way for ourselves and our faith. So, Giani Jarnail Singh Ji, you're right, they've waited too long for someone to 'come back from the dead'. Everyone must move on. If you believe he has died, believe it, end of the matter, end of the discussion. And if people want to believe that he's alive, let them wait for him to come back and lead them.
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I hope no one took offense at my words. I just spit out what I think, without stopping to think. Regards to all . . . . . . . . .

Dear Faujan, there is no need mention this... we are all here to collectively learn and evolve... feel yourself at home and ask & express anything that comes to your mind..

Please continue with the discussion... Regards