Same-sex marriage... By RAMANDEEP KAUR GREWAL and T. SHER SINGH

CaramelChocolate · #1 (**permalink**) 31-Jan-2005, 23:34 PM

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Singh Balbir · #2 (**permalink**) 30-Mar-2006, 19:44 PM

No action which is against the nature is acceptable. Why one should marry? If the answer is just to satisfy the lust or have a companian then same sex marriage may be justied by the people who think so. But if the answer is to live a meaningful life as per law of nature then same sex marriage has no place in the civilised society. Further, there was no need to give a statement on the issue by Vandenty Ji. What to say of sikhism no religion justify same sex marrige.

vijaydeep Singh · #3 (**permalink**) 30-Mar-2006, 21:15 PM

Gurfateh
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-news/1697-same-sex-marriage-ramandeep-kaur-grewal.html

sometime some people can be congentaily homosexual,das knew this from some medical thing but does need further clarifaction from docter members of this forum.

Hardkaur · #4 (**permalink**) 31-Mar-2006, 05:37 AM

I see no reason why gay people shouldnt marry. Sikhism believes in the will of God, whatever God does God does for a reason. Therefore if God has made certain people Gay there must be reason behind it, or else why would he do so? Besides there are millions of orphans in the world, and gay people can adopt them and give them homes. Besides even though you may or maynot believe in the way gay people live there lives, everyone has the right to live there lives the way they choose to, besides gay people marrying is NOT going to effect my life or the life of any other straight person, so why get so worked up over it. Let the Gays have there rights to, I mean they are people are they not?

moorakh · #5 (**permalink**) 02-Apr-2006, 10:29 AM

Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa,
Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh Ji!

I think there are two questions here:

1. Does Sikhi accept same sex marriages?

2. How should we, as sikhs, treat people who are homosexuals?

#1: I think, we all would agree, that sikhism, like all religions, envisions marriage, as the union of a man, with a woman, following the laws of nature, as a step to working together to be one with the Guru. Sikhi does not approve of homosexuality.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1697
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1697

(# 2) At the same time, we have been taught by the Gurus to respect ALL human beings , for they are a part of Vaheguru's creation: By definition, we would treat homosexuals just like we treat anyone else. (Unlike some faith communities/sects, who propagate hatred against gays & lesbians)

Bhul Chuk Maaf,
moorakh

CaramelChocolate · #6 (**permalink**) 06-Jul-2006, 04:51 AM

What is natural is NOT the same as what is moral.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1697
IF homosexuality is UNNATURAL then it does not make it immoral and vice versa.
Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=1697
Sikhs DO NOT believe in St Thomas Aquinas' natural law and should not bow down to CATHOLIC influences.
LUST is natural. That is what makes going against any vice so hard. We must GO AGAINST our instincts in order to be moral.
As far as I am concerned it is attachment to one's own heterosexuality that creates hatred for homosexuals and heterosexist 'ideals'.
It works in the following way
A. I have a desire
B. I do not have a desire for what others could possibly desire
C. Everybody should have my desire since I have no desire for what others may possibly desire, hence their desire is immoral and wrong as it provokes no desire within me
D. My individuated morality should become individuated to everyone

This type of logic does not work, we are all in different positions. This is similar to a White British living in the UK expecting all Sikhs to have short hair, bleach their skin and go to the pub every Saturday night.

anders · #7 (**permalink**) 12-Jul-2006, 00:59 AM

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Originally Posted by CaramelChocolate

What is natural is NOT the same as what is moral.
IF homosexuality is UNNATURAL then it does not make it immoral and vice versa.
Sikhs DO NOT believe in St Thomas Aquinas' natural law and should not bow down to CATHOLIC influences.
LUST is natural. That is what makes going against any vice so hard. We must GO AGAINST our instincts in order to be moral.

I haven't delved too much in principles applicable here, but would like to ask you if you're pursuing a career in Religious studies or Philosophy? If you do, I wish you luck in addition to your profound powers of reasoning and general knowledge. I hope to be alive long enough to see where you end up!

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As far as I am concerned it is attachment to one's own heterosexuality that creates hatred for homosexuals and heterosexist 'ideals'.

Not necessarily. I have been attached, often and sometimes rather intensely, to a number of girls/women. So far, I haven't had any similar feelings towards any male. You could say that I'm attached to my heterosexuality. But I accept that there are people enjoying other flavours of life, and don't by definition (or by definition don't) rule out that I might change my mind to be more all-inclusive.

Randip Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 12-Jul-2006, 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Singh Balbir

No action which is against the nature is acceptable. Why one should marry? If the answer is just to satisfy the lust or have a companian then same sex marriage may be justied by the people who think so. But if the answer is to live a meaningful life as per law of nature then same sex marriage has no place in the civilised society. Further, there was no need to give a statement on the issue by Vandenty Ji. What to say of sikhism no religion justify same sex marrige.

I am straight myself, but I have never had problems with homosexuality or same sex marriages. Veer ji says that this is not natural, but homosexual relationships exist in the animal kingdom too.

Then people say these relationships are based on Kaam (Lust), because they cannot have children. Is that not the same for hetrosexual couples who cannot have children?

Sikhism says nothing about homosexuality. The only thing Sikhism talks about is marriage being a Union of souls.....and as far as I understand the soul is Genderless!!!!!

BhagatSingh · #9 (**permalink**) 17-Jul-2006, 04:47 AM

i think that
same sex marriages should be avoided in sikhism but should be accepted if one wishes to do so.
which animals are homosexual .. i am sorry i do not know of a single one.

i had an argument on this aspect but i forgot it